Re: [Ranger-users] A new approach to build the user interface of the future!

[Cédric Picard]

I think the least would be to print a big red warning message
explaining why typing on a key alone should be deprecated.

Or print an ascii punny per key. That could be fun. Like a child's
mode. « Son, when you are old enough, I'll teach you the Meta key.
Right now, play with the punnies. »

On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:07:43AM +0200, hut wrote:
> Hey Miodrag, got any idea what to do with all the keys that are unused now?
> 
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:54:02AM +0200, Miodrag Milic wrote:
> > Nobody is being sarcastic here !
> > 
> > The change is already well documented (great work hut as always, cheers)
> > RTFM and start testing ASAP, don't wait for free treatment, just buy some
> > B6  <http://goo.gl/0Jxut7>and you are ready to go !
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Gerald Klein <address@hidden> wrote:
> > 
> > > What is the change?? Without the sarcasm
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:15 PM, feel.squally <address@hidden>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> With vim key bindings for scrolling down along the files in a directory
> > >> you just need one finger typing j.
> > >>
> > >> I guess with emacs you need C+n that implies TWO fingers.
> > >>
> > >> Also, if this change is about a concern of freedom, is there the FREEDOM
> > >> to choose between vim and emacs key bindings like tmux does?
> > >> If so, I am happy with this change otherwise I think ranger will lose
> > >> users pretty soon.
> > >> Il 31/mar/2015 22:52 "Miodrag Milic" <address@hidden> ha
> > >> scritto:
> > >>
> > >>> > Imagine a text editor where you can just type in some keys, and they
> > >>> appear on
> > >>> the screen.  Just like that.
> > >>>
> > >>> OMG, I didn't even know such thing exists!!!! PLEASE!!!
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Gerald Klein <address@hidden> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Can someone please tell if this is a joke, I'm serious I can't tell?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:20 PM, hut <address@hidden> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> So, ranger has been around for almost 6 years, and after all this time
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> optimizing and re-evaluating, I think we need a paradigm shift in the
> > >>>>> way
> > >>>>> ranger works.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There are going to be a few changes starting with the upcoming 1.7.0
> > >>>>> release
> > >>>>> which can be tested now already by running the current git version:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   git clone https://github.com/hut/ranger.git -b current
> > >>>>>   cd ranger
> > >>>>>   ./ranger.py
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I sincerely believe now that trying to copy the vim user experience
> > >>>>> was wrong
> > >>>>> on many levels, because clearly emacs is the better editor.  It's
> > >>>>> build on the
> > >>>>> idea of freedom, of elegance and of having to press modifier keys all
> > >>>>> the time.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If that doesn't convince you yet, how about this:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Imagine a text editor where you can just type in some keys, and they
> > >>>>> appear on
> > >>>>> the screen.  Just like that.  No silly modes, no crazy things
> > >>>>> happening by
> > >>>>> typing random characters on the keyboard (think ggdGZZ, it deletes
> > >>>>> your whole
> > >>>>> text, then saves the file and quits the editor!  How crazy is that?!)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> No.  Using Emacs key bindings is the only sane way to do it.  Check
> > >>>>> out the
> > >>>>> new key bindings on the man page:
> > >>>>> http://ranger.nongnu.org/ranger.1.html
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Of course ranger has no concept of "typing in text" like emacs does,
> > >>>>> so typing
> > >>>>> in keys without modifiers will do nothing at all.  Basically you will
> > >>>>> have to
> > >>>>> use modifier keys for everything you do.  But still it's obviously
> > >>>>> better than
> > >>>>> vim-like key bindings.  ***BONUS*** The first 100 to upgrade will get
> > >>>>> a free
> > >>>>> treatment for their future carpal tunnel syndrome!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> hut
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Gerald Klein DBA
> > >>>>
> > >>>> address@hidden
> > >>>>
> > >>>> www.geraldklein.com <http://geraldklein.com/>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> geraldklein.wordpress.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>> address@hidden
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 708-599-0352
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Linux registered user #548580
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Brought to you by the Amish Mafia
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Gerald Klein DBA
> > >
> > > address@hidden
> > >
> > > www.geraldklein.com <http://geraldklein.com/>
> > >
> > > geraldklein.wordpress.com
> > >
> > > address@hidden
> > >
> > > 708-599-0352
> > >
> > >
> > > Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
> > >
> > > Linux registered user #548580
> > >
> > > Brought to you by the Amish Mafia
> > >
> > >
> 

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      Cédric Picard

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