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Re: [Ranger-users] ranger: how-tos or cheat-sheet

From: Miodrag Milic
Subject: Re: [Ranger-users] ranger: how-tos or cheat-sheet
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:56:35 +0100

Thanks for the insights.  I will check out the stuff you recommended.

I still think google-groups-like fronted would be ideal - you keep all the things you have in a regular mail list, but you also have a nice frontend. I like to have options available, not features imposed.

Many things you say are also not problem of the forum per se, but the problem within community, moderators and software. I don't see a reason not being able to use forum offline (for both cataloging and replying, there are already ways to do so). Signal to noise ratio is such just because of popularity (i.e. eternal September) . If bunch of people come to mailing list, SNR will go down for sure although this is not very likely due to its interface (which hence may serve to protect SNR).

GUI - or any high level interface - can be as practical as console - vimperator/vimium, ratpoison/xmonad are proof of that, or even PowerShell with GUI libraries...

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Roman Z. <address@hidden> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 01:10:02PM +0100, Miodrag Milic wrote:
> >I thought that's what the mailing list is for :)?
> What I miss is better organisation. I am unhappy with stuff like:
> http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/ranger-users/2013-02/threads.html
> Compared to what forum can provide that is ridiculous.
> New google groups is exactly like that: the old one was more similar to
> above, the newer is more like forum.

I can see that mailing lists are "different" and unintuitive if you are
used to forums, but I don't share your opinion that forums are
unconditionally better.  Mailing lists are more comfortable, can be
easily interfaced with from the console, you don't waste as much time on
meaningless discussions as on forums, the signal/noise ratio is higher.
You can read and reply offline, postponing the sending of mails until
you have a connection again.  And most importantly, nobody talks about
what shoes they are wearing today.

But we did make a mistake IMO with the "1.6.0 on the horizon"-thread, we
should have changed the subject line when we branched off into different
The archive front-end is not pretty, nor very comfortable.  But that's
why you shouldn't use it, IMO, except for linking or for searching in
threads that you don't have locally.  And the search function of the
front-end is excellent.

> I searched for mail list front-ends that provide such interface without any
> luck.

I recommend mutt.  It has many similarities with vim and ranger as well.
For receiving, sorting and filtering mails I use getmail and procmail.

> When you see stuff like this
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=93025
> with 61 pages, you know that you need separate forum.

That thread is a horrible mess, I agree.  I wish they came here instead,
but I can't force them to.  For now, I removed the link to the thread
from ranger's website, let's see what happens.


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