Re: RE: [Phpgroupware-users] hobby

[Dave Hall]

Brian Connolly <address@hidden> wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> I think this discussion certainly exceeds the medium.  But let's 
> continue.
> You're missing something essential to all human endeavors.  They're 
> outwardfaced.  Strength, power, leadership, value... all are rooted 
> in service.
> 
> Here, I'll put a finer point on it.  There are vocations, 
> avocations and
> then there's just wacking off.  Some hobbies are so self absorbed 
> as to be
> best practiced in private.  As an independent observer, I'll tell 
> you that
> it most often looks like this project rises to avocation, and its 
> success is
> in spite of itself.  If I were to squander an opportunity like 
> that, I'd
> have to plan.

Independent? - sorry but we both know that is complete and utter crap!

You are listed as a contributor to EGO!

You have attacked many people for trying to help you!

You harras people into giving up free time to help you!  No response in
an hour, send another email!

You claim to be a communications cosnultant!  You have very few
communication skills!

Go back to EGO and play with your "expert", "business focused" super
coder friends!

Brian we have tried to help you, but you need to learn to help yourself.

I think your aim is to provoke responses like this from the project.  It
is you who is playing with himself for self gratification.  You got your
response, which I think most people will consider reasonable in the
circumstances.

Good bye and Good riddance!




> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Kuykendall [mailto:address@hidden 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:18 AM
> To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Phpgroupware-users] hobby
> 
> You really do not understand Free Software/Open Source software at 
> all.Do you think the Linux kernel was started and written to be a 
> business 
> application?
> Many who work on the kernel do as a hobby, including Linus up till 
> very 
> recently.
> 
> Linus has said may times that if the linux userbase went away, he 
> would 
> still continue working on the kernel because its fun to do.
> 
> Lets look at the GNU project. It was most certainly NOT started as 
> a 
> business solution. It was started as an alternative to closed 
> source 
> software that Stallman found offensive to his ideas of freedom.
> 
> Go look at freshmeat some time. There are litterally thousands of 
> apps 
> on there which are entirely hobby efforts, and some are actually 
> pretty 
> good.
> 
> What you quite seriously do not understand is that a userbase and 
> business use is cool and is the focus of some, but not most of 
> those who 
> write free software.
> What happens is that these lowly hobbist take pride in what they 
> write, 
> and they often write very nice code and nice apps,  which happen to 
> be 
> useful to other users and businesses. Then some people involved 
> make the 
> users and business the focus. But the hobbists remain and continue 
> regardless of users, and they will have fun doing so.
> 
> One last note. Your attitude pretty much stinks. People have tried 
> to 
> help and you piss on them for not being able to explain simple 
> things to 
> an idot like yourself.
> You obviously have your own issues to work out, so good luck with 
> that.
> I will continue working on phpGW for myself, for my own hobby and 
> enjoyment and go back to ignoring fools like you.
> 
> Dan Kuykendall
> 
> Brian Connolly wrote:
> 
> >Dan,
> >
> >If there was a single email that could discredit all the efforts 
> of those
> >who've worked tirelessly to make this a business application... 
> Dan you
> just
> >wrote it.  If you guys cannot take yourself seriously, you cannot 
> expect>anyone else to.
> >
> >That's too bad.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dan Kuykendall [mailto:address@hidden 
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:57 PM
> >To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> >Subject: Re: [Phpgroupware-users] open_basedir restriction
> >
> >Brian Connolly wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Remember, without users, phpgw is only a hobby. 
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >You say that as a bad thing.
> >When jengo and I started phpGW and laid out the entire 
> infastructure we 
> >did it completely as a hobby.
> >Many of the initial development team worked on phpGW as a hobby, 
> since 
> >none of us were being paid for any phpGW work, and to this day 
> very few 
> >people involved make any money dev'ing it. In fact alot of the 
> time 
> >"users" simply get in the way of the fun.
> >
> >Of  course many involved are in fact focused on the user base, and 
> >making money working on phpGW, and the project benefits from this 
> group 
> >as well. But dont go getting all pissy about the ***FREE*** help 
> you are 
> >offered, and try and insinuate that phpGW is only a hobby without 
> you. 
> >Because if thats the case, SO WHAT?
> >
> >Its nice that the world can benefit from what we started as a 
> "hobby".>
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Phpgroupware-users mailing list
> >address@hidden
> >http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/phpgroupware-users
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phpgroupware-users mailing list
> address@hidden
> http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/phpgroupware-users
>

dave.hall.vcf
Description: Card for <dave.hall@mbox.com.au>