Re: [Phpgroupware-users] Simplified Chinese (zh) Translation

[Dave Hall]

C K Wu <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dave Hall wrote:
> 
> > C K Wu <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, folks,
> > >
> > > I have just posted 9 translation patches at savannah.gnu.org .
> > >
> > > The patches contain Simplified Chinese (zh) translation for the
> > > following nine modules:
> > > admin, calendar, email, forum, phpgwapi, preferences, 
> projects, setup,
> > > todo.
> >
> > Cool, I will assign them when https access to savannah is back up.
> >
> > >
> > > charset is defined to be gb18030, since afaik all software 
> used in
> > > mainland China
> > > (the main region using Simplified Chinese) must support the 
> gb18030> > charset.
> >
> > Hmmmm ... ok then we have a problem.  From the research that 
> gugux and I
> > did late last year and earlier this year, the zh language code 
> is used
> > for all variants of chinese and each variant uses a different 
> charset.>
> > I would suggest that we have a discussion on the translators 
> list -
> > phpgroupware-docteam at gnu.org - on how best to handle the various
> > languages and charsets.
> >
> > We currently use RFC 1766/ISO 639-1 language codes
> > (ftp://ftp.nordu.net/rfc/rfc1766.txt), with the chaset being a 
> phrase entry.
> >
> > But there is ISO 639-2 (3 letter codes) (see
> > http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/lang_pt2.html), or RFC 3066 ( see
> > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3066.txt) which is ISO 639-1 (see
> > http://userpage.chemie.fu-berlin.de/diverse/doc/ISO_639.html) 
> plus ISO
> > 3166 country codes
> > (http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-
> code-lists/list-en1.html)
> > such as en-US, de-DE or de-AT etc.  This could even provide a 
> fallback> mode to en or de if the local version is not provided.
> >
> > I personally think that we should use RFC 3066, but the country 
> codes> should only be used where obsolutely required - such as pt-
> BR (Brazilian
> > Portugueses) but not for en-AU (Australian English) or en-UK 
> (British> English) as the variation is minor.  While we are on 
> this subject
> > English is English people in the US speak English - not English 
> US or
> > American English!
> >
> > I am not claiming to be an expert in linguistics or chinese 
> politics,> but this is my practical suggestion for China, in the 
> case of the
> > mainland i would suggest zh-CN, Taiwan would become zh-TW, Hong Kong
> > would use zh-HK, etc.  This would allow for the charset issues 
> to be
> > overcome.
> >
> 
> Country code is a rather touchy subject in the Greater China region.

I understand this ... hence my note about not being an expert.

> However phpgroupware's current setup of,
> 
> Simplified Chinese:    phpgw_zh.lang + charset=gb18030
> Traditional Chinese:    phpgw_zt.lang + charset=big5
> 
> is a reasonable compromise that should work in the near term.

Sorry, when sending this email I thought we used zh for traditional
already.  Sorry, about that.  I still think that we may have to make
some changes to the lang code at some stage to provide more flexibility
and standards compliance :)

> 
> >
> > Please don't get me wrong, I support this effort, but how we 
> provide the
> > best suppport possible for all users is my aim.
> >
> > >
> > > All credits should go to www.dottech.com.tw, which provides the
> > > original Traditional Chinese translation.  I only use an automatic
> > > conversion
> > > utility to convert the lang phrases from Traditional to Simplified
> > > Chinese.
> > >
> >
> > np, but have they been checked by a native speaker/reader?
> 
> no worries.  I am a native Chinese speaker and read/write
> Simplified/Traditional Chinese better than my English.  I have
> have gone thru all the files produced by the conversion.  They
> look OK.  However, there will certainly be some comments
> from mainland China users who are not accustomed to Taiwanese
> phraseology.  These may be finetuned by a Chinese language
> maintainer in the future.
> 
> Cheers,
> CK
> 
> >
> >
> > > I don't intend to maintain the Simplified Chinese translation in
> > > future.
> >
> > Do you have anyone to nomiate for the task?
> >
> > > My objective is to complete the Chinese language 
> infrastructure within
> > > phpGroupWare as it stands currently, so when the next version of
> > > CK-Ledger is released, full Chinese language infrastructure is
> > > available.
> >
> > Cool, I personally would like to see as many languages supported in
> > phpGW possible :)
> >
> > > Therefore, feel free to take on the role of future Simplified 
> Chinese> > translation
> > > maintainer.
> >
> > Pass :)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Dave
> >
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