Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released

[Bob Crandell]

Wow.  Thanks.  I look forward to it.

Have a nice day.

C K Wu (address@hidden) wrote*:
>
>Hi, Bob,
>
>I've look through the case.  Without adding in too many fancy features,
>I should be about to squeeze bank reconciliation into the next release
>of CK-Ledger, which should be ready in about two months' time.
>
>Cheers,
>CK
>
>C K Wu wrote:
>
>> Hi, Bob,
>>
>> Um....  Let me do a bit of analysis on how much to include in such a module
>> and thus the effort involved.  I'll come back to you in a few hours' time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> CK
>>
>> Bob Crandell wrote:
>>
>> > Hi C K Wu,
>> >
>> > Most of my clients would be very interested in the bank reconciliation.  
>> > Lots of
>> > them (I don't know how many) outsource their payroll.  How open are you to
switching
>> >  these 2 modules finishing the reconciliation module first?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > C K Wu (address@hidden) wrote*:
>> > >
>> > >Hi, Bob,
>> > >
>> > >Hsing-Foo is right about SME.  It stands for Small to Medium size 
>> > >Enterprise.
>> > >The target users of CK-Ledger are organizations that have about 10-100 
>> > >employees,
>> > >computer users, etc.  They would probably have at least one system admin, 
>> > >and
>> > >an accountant that is fairly familiar with computer systems.
>> > >
>> > >Before I go any further.  Let me throw in a standard rider.  The software 
>> > >is
>> > >still in beta, so bugs are inevitable.
>> > >
>> > >The immediate plan for CK-Ledger is to complete a payrol module, which
>> > >will bring it on par with similar software, such as NOLA.  Bank
>> > >reconciliation will be high on the agenda, but I am afraid it won't be 
>> > >added
>> > >till several months later.
>> > >
>> > >Cheers,
>> > >CK
>> > >
>> > >Bob Crandell wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> One of the things that bother me about SQL-Ledger is it won't reconcile 
>> > >> bank
>> > >> statements yet.  It is on his todo list.  Does CK-Ledger?
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm not an accountant and all I know about it is debits are closest to 
>> > >> the
>> > >> window.  I'm in the position of needing someone else to tell me if it's 
>> > >> what I
>> > >> want/need.  What's SME?
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks.
>> > >>
>> > >> Marc Lutolf (address@hidden) wrote*:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >We are using A/R and services, but just starting up. We are using them 
>> > >> >in a
>> > >> >German setting, so we're still wrestling with translation problems.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >We initially looked at SQL Ledger and I have to say it's a pretty good
>> > >> >product. On the other hand I don't want to add Perl to the mix we 
>> > >> >already
>> > >> >have and we would like to have the possibility of customizing the code 
>> > >> >if
>> > >> >need be, so PHP is a good thing.
>> > >> >Having the permissions infrastructure and OOP stuff that phpgw brings 
>> > >> >to the
>> > >> >party has made it easy to build on a foundation that's already solid.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >CK-Ledger has come very very far in a short time. It still needs a lot 
>> > >> >of UI
>> > >> >work to make it handle a bit easily, but the functionality is quite 
>> > >> >there.
>> > >> >With the new HR module (which I havn't looked at yet) this should be a
>> > >> >fairly complete accounting package for SME.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Also, I can say from experience that CK Wu is very responsive to 
>> > >> >enhancement
>> > >> >requests. That in itself is worth it's weight in truffles (or gold, if 
>> > >> >you
>> > >> >prefer).
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Is it mature enough? Well, it was in alpha until about 3 months ago, 
>> > >> >if I
>> > >> >recall correctly. In my view an accounting program has to be able to 
>> > >> >post
>> > >> >and balance. Yes, it does that and it doesn't break. Everything else 
>> > >> >is UI
>> > >> >or nice to have. As long as the functionality is there I'll tweak the
>> > >> >templates to make it look the way I want. That said CK-Ledger still 
>> > >> >needs
>> > >> >user feedback to iron out the little things that make a user's life a 
>> > >> >bit
>> > >> >more comfortable.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >If you know phpgw the setup is actually quite simple. If not the
>> > >> >installation instructions posted on sourceforge are quite good, better 
>> > >> >than
>> > >> >most. But if "mature" means installing out of the box this morning and
>> > >> >having your accountant posting after lunch, well, soon but not quite 
>> > >> >yet.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >I'm a big fan of this app. It's a nice piece of work. I'd be very 
>> > >> >happy if
>> > >> >more people used it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Marc
>> > >> >
>> > >> >-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >From: address@hidden
>> > >> >[mailto:address@hidden Behalf Of Bob Crandell
>> > >> >Sent: 26 November 2002 15:58
>> > >> >To: address@hidden
>> > >> >Subject: Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Hi,
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Is anyone using this for real yet?  Is it mature enough yet?  We are 
>> > >> >using
>> > >> >Quickbooks now and hate it.  I have been looking at SQL-Ledger but 
>> > >> >having
>> > >> >accounting
>> > >> >in the same interface as phpGroupware might be better.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Thanks
>> > >> >
>> > >> >address@hidden
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>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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