Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released

[Chris Weiss]

I was just going to say something on these lines too.  Without reconciliation I
really doubt CK-Ledger will win out over QuickBooks.

Most established companies either outsource payroll or alreay have a standalone
package for it.  Most new companies will have a small enough payroll that doing 
it
manualy will be a lot less work than working around not having bank
reconciliation.  IMO, adding reconciliation would be furthering the current 
feature
set toward completion while adding Payroll would extening the feature set.

I haven't heard back on the demo I did, they are still toying with it, but 
without
reconciliation I'd be suprized if they go for it.  And these people are the 
type to
get one package and never change till they outgrow it.

Bob Crandell (address@hidden) wrote*:
>
>Hi C K Wu,
>
>Most of my clients would be very interested in the bank reconciliation.  Lots 
>of
>them (I don't know how many) outsource their payroll.  How open are you to
switching
> these 2 modules finishing the reconciliation module first?
>
>Thanks
>
>C K Wu (address@hidden) wrote*:
>>
>>Hi, Bob,
>>
>>Hsing-Foo is right about SME.  It stands for Small to Medium size Enterprise.
>>The target users of CK-Ledger are organizations that have about 10-100 
>>employees,
>>computer users, etc.  They would probably have at least one system admin, and
>>an accountant that is fairly familiar with computer systems.
>>
>>Before I go any further.  Let me throw in a standard rider.  The software is
>>still in beta, so bugs are inevitable.
>>
>>The immediate plan for CK-Ledger is to complete a payrol module, which
>>will bring it on par with similar software, such as NOLA.  Bank
>>reconciliation will be high on the agenda, but I am afraid it won't be added
>>till several months later.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>CK
>>
>>Bob Crandell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> One of the things that bother me about SQL-Ledger is it won't reconcile bank
>>> statements yet.  It is on his todo list.  Does CK-Ledger?
>>>
>>> I'm not an accountant and all I know about it is debits are closest to the
>>> window.  I'm in the position of needing someone else to tell me if it's 
>>> what I
>>> want/need.  What's SME?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Marc Lutolf (address@hidden) wrote*:
>>> >
>>> >We are using A/R and services, but just starting up. We are using them in a
>>> >German setting, so we're still wrestling with translation problems.
>>> >
>>> >We initially looked at SQL Ledger and I have to say it's a pretty good
>>> >product. On the other hand I don't want to add Perl to the mix we already
>>> >have and we would like to have the possibility of customizing the code if
>>> >need be, so PHP is a good thing.
>>> >Having the permissions infrastructure and OOP stuff that phpgw brings to 
>>> >the
>>> >party has made it easy to build on a foundation that's already solid.
>>> >
>>> >CK-Ledger has come very very far in a short time. It still needs a lot of 
>>> >UI
>>> >work to make it handle a bit easily, but the functionality is quite there.
>>> >With the new HR module (which I havn't looked at yet) this should be a
>>> >fairly complete accounting package for SME.
>>> >
>>> >Also, I can say from experience that CK Wu is very responsive to 
>>> >enhancement
>>> >requests. That in itself is worth it's weight in truffles (or gold, if you
>>> >prefer).
>>> >
>>> >Is it mature enough? Well, it was in alpha until about 3 months ago, if I
>>> >recall correctly. In my view an accounting program has to be able to post
>>> >and balance. Yes, it does that and it doesn't break. Everything else is UI
>>> >or nice to have. As long as the functionality is there I'll tweak the
>>> >templates to make it look the way I want. That said CK-Ledger still needs
>>> >user feedback to iron out the little things that make a user's life a bit
>>> >more comfortable.
>>> >
>>> >If you know phpgw the setup is actually quite simple. If not the
>>> >installation instructions posted on sourceforge are quite good, better than
>>> >most. But if "mature" means installing out of the box this morning and
>>> >having your accountant posting after lunch, well, soon but not quite yet.
>>> >
>>> >I'm a big fan of this app. It's a nice piece of work. I'd be very happy if
>>> >more people used it.
>>> >
>>> >Marc
>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: address@hidden
>>> >[mailto:address@hidden Behalf Of Bob Crandell
>>> >Sent: 26 November 2002 15:58
>>> >To: address@hidden
>>> >Subject: Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Hi,
>>> >
>>> >Is anyone using this for real yet?  Is it mature enough yet?  We are using
>>> >Quickbooks now and hate it.  I have been looking at SQL-Ledger but having
>>> >accounting
>>> >in the same interface as phpGroupware might be better.
>>> >
>>> >Thanks
>>> >
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