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Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Making it easy for new users

From: Stephen Dwyer
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Making it easy for new users
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:44:19 -0600

Hello Martin,

I assume you have read through the installation pages?
( and linked)

If you think you could do a good tutorial with more specific step by
step instructions that would enhance the existing documentation, it
would be appreciated, especially if it is very easy for a newcomer.
The disadvantages of another set of instructions is that it must be
kept up to date with the main install instructions, and it may cause
confusion to have two sets of information, unless it is explicitly
stated and flows well with the existing install page (well linked, no
conflicting information, etc).

Another option may be to improve the existing install pages, though I
think they are fairly reasonable as they are (perhaps not? hard to say
once you have been using paparazzi for a while).

If you wish to run a set of instructions that almost anyone could use,
I think it may be useful to run it in a virtual machine or on a usb
stick (i.e. live cd?) as you mentioned. This may be the most
applicable for the most users. However, if newcomers are looking for
help and support, most developers tend to stick with standard
linux/ubuntu installs as per the installation pages. Introducing
newcomers to an installation that is rather different may end up being
particularly difficult to debug and support, leading to further
frustration than following a more standard installation.

Just some thoughts. Does anyone else have comments?

-Stephen Dwyer

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Cedric Marzer <address@hidden> wrote:
> If I were you I would just install VirtualBox on the mac and install ubuntu 
> in a virtual machine.
> The only disadvantage is that it is a bit less straightforward to plug in USB 
> stuff.
> Best regards
> Cédric
> Le 6 sept. 2012 à 21:43, Martin Mehringer a écrit :
>> Stephen!!!!
>> Thanks for your reply - I didn´t expect a reply to be honest.
>> Good to know that OS X is not the focus oft he developers. What I want to do
>> for the project is to give newcommers the easyiest way to enter paparazzi.
>> If this would be with a linux based system: fine. Shouldnt be a problem to
>> get a cheap notebook to run linux on it if somebody is in windows or mac. So
>> now I will go for linux and will start a step-by-step guide without
>> alternatives - perhaps on a USB Stick. That means:
>> One certain version of a linux distribution. Then this software pack, then
>> the next , ans so on
>> What do you think? Helpful? Already existing?
>> All I need are rough steps or ideas from your side to get an easy One-way
>> solution without alternatives.
>> Best regards
>> Martin
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: address@hidden
>> [mailto:address@hidden Im Auftrag
>> von Stephen Dwyer
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. September 2012 21:51
>> An: address@hidden
>> Betreff: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Making it easy for new users
>> Hi Martin,
>> At the moment, there hasn't been any work done to support Mountain Lion.
>> However I believe Bernie will be starting on that this weekend, so support
>> should be coming soon! Only a few developers use OS X, and those that do are
>> usually busy at work, but hopefully there will be some time in the near
>> future to get a binary installer built.
>> Thanks
>> -Stephen Dwyer
>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Martin Mehringer <address@hidden>
>> wrote:
>>> Gentlemen,
>>> I´m sure you are tired of telling noobs again and again what all of you
>> already know.
>>> I want to write a step-by-step guide for OS X users how to install
>> Paparazzi.
>>> The Wiki can´t help you here if you have OS X 10.8 and the latest Xcode
>> Version.
>>> As I am in this position I want to share my experience hoping to get here.
>>> Could you give me just a VERY VERY short guideline to make it run?
>>> Let´s work together to open the project for new users like I am.
>>> Best regards
>>> Martin
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