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RE: [Paparazzi-devel] wiki / buying intention

From: Nicolas Calderon
Subject: RE: [Paparazzi-devel] wiki / buying intention
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:31:08 -0400

        I will be briefer than Ethan.

        I totally understand and support Pascal's decision of making you
remove the page for commercial boards. 

First of all, you are using the fact paparazzi is currently searching for
someone to make their boards to augment confusion. It seems to me like you
are using that to fool someone in buying your boards. Not that yours boards
wouldn't do the job, just that they *ARE NOT* paparazzi compatible yet.

You never mention clearly that paparazzi code is not supported by you
hardware unless you are specifically asked. And when you are confronted to
the question, you answer by saying that the port would be easy to do.

Different people have different experience; it's not everybody that can get
through a port, no matter how easy it is. Paparazzi is a critical
application: failure result in crash. A port requires a lot of testing time
before getting in flight. Finally, if the port is easy to do as you say it
is, I don’t understand you didn’t do it yet. You've been trying to sell
these boards for approximately 1 year.

Last point of all: you are trying to sell stuff that is close architecture
and does not support the software on an open source and open hardware
mailing list. Open architecture might not be a must (I guess that Antoine
would be glad to have commercial boards, even with closed architecture), but
you should make sure someone that is buying understand CLEARLY what he's
getting into.

I would have a lot more to say, but that would make this mail longer than
Ethan's one; if it's not already.


Nicolas Calderon

-----Original Message-----
From: address@hidden
[mailto:address@hidden On
Behalf Of Ethan Arnold
Sent: 25 août, 2006 02:41
To: address@hidden
Subject: AW: [Paparazzi-devel] wiki / buying intention


Maybe it would cause less confusion if you just made an offer for the
standard Paparazzi boards, without confusing everybody with other features.
Not that they are not interesting, but it is simply not what most people
want right now.

You keep writing mails with different infos, one per day, every time you
offer little bits of info but never a complete concept with ALL the details
in one document. Also I sure wouldnt order any custom board without seeing
the layout and circuit before, and I'm not sure anyone else on this list

If you want to go your own way with a setup or components that nobody else
has worked with before, and nobody has software for (WITHOUT changes),
except yourself, you will just have to produce and support them by yourself,
I dont think you can expect much support from a community that shares every
line of code and every dot in the circuits and layouts, if you do not share

If I was a hobbyist wanting to experiment with an autopilot, I would not
feel safe going with an individual solution supported only by an individial,
instead of a community project with at least 5 active people which has
existed for years.

To put it bluntly, I (for one) know what Paparazzi can do and I want one, I
dont really care how many processors of what type or how many bits the ADC
has, it's a free project and I want to support it, it has won many contests
and I know that it works and is still being improved so for me there is not
question that I want Paparazzi and no other experiments.

And if I may add, personally I feel you should post on this list with your
full real name and mention where you live and work. Everyone else does not
hold back with this information, and there is a certain thing called
netiquette that requests (I'm not even saying requires) that people use real
names in mailing lists. I usually have my signature with full address in
every email, not for advertising because I dont really sell anything, but
just because I feel it belongs there. I do remove it often when posting on
this list, simply to reduce clutter because everyone already knows who I am.


Robo-Store Ltd.
Martin-Wohmann-Str. 19
D-65719 Hofheim
Tel: +49 (0)6192-2031-938
Fax: +49 (0)6192-2031-939

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: address@hidden
[mailto:address@hidden Im Auftrag von
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. August 2006 07:21
An: address@hidden
Betreff: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] wiki / buying intention

I haved placed a offer for assembled commercial boards on this wiki and
pascal brisset has ask me to remove it. It was proposed in several
configurations regarding used cpu´s, power supply options and gps antenna
As example, the version with gps module(4hz),two cpu´s with lpc2142,
lpc2138, dedicated servo controller mcu and possibility to add a xbee or
maxstream rf-modem, was offered at a price of 66$.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

inal-Nachricht --------
Datum: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:32:58 -0700
Von: "Dave Hylands" <address@hidden>
An: address@hidden
Betreff: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] wiki / buying intention

> Hi Chris,
> On 8/24/06, address@hidden <address@hidden> wrote:
> > I invite all that have expressed a buying intention for a commercial
> board
> > to review the wiki page and eventually update the buying intention.
> Just to be clear, you're referring to this wiki page?
> -- 
> Dave Hylands
> Vancouver, BC, Canada
> _______________________________________________
> Paparazzi-devel mailing list
> address@hidden


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