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Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker

From: Johan Pascal
Subject: Re: [Linphone-developers] bug tracker
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:28:00 +0100
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Dear readers of the linphone-developers list, Hello.

We first want to reassure you, NO the linphone project is not dead!

Just have a look to our git repository if you want to put your mind at rest about this(or see for statistics on the project, more than 1600 commits just on linphone in 2014). The official git repository is not the one found on github - which indeed seems to be dead with last commit being two years old - but can be found on linphone's website.

As intuited by Anton Pomozov, yes Belledonne Communications, which develops Linphone, makes money by licensing it for commercial use and offering support to commercial users. So yes, commercial users are the priority simply because they are funding the project maintenance and developments which then benefits to free users too.

Said that, and as users of others open source project ourselves, we agree that a reactive community is enjoyable. We have to admit we were not giving this list the care it deserves which lead to frustrations in good willing contributors.

Even if there isn't any plan to open a public bug tracking in a near future, we will do our best to be more responsive and allocate some of our resources specifically to the community.

Johan for the Linphone development Team.

On 13/01/15 17:59, Eric Toombs wrote:
Yeah, if only there were some kind of online service (preferably free)
where version control and bug tracking were already set up and
integrated that was easy to migrate to...
On 2015-01-12 05:16, Anton Pomozov wrote:
It is not as simple as someone may imagine.
"Just create bug-tracker" is a one small step at a long long yellow brick road.

In addition to the public bug-tracker you still need CVS, automatic build and 
deploy system, CI and test servers.
All of them should be tight integrate to minimize efforts of developers to 
integrate patches and apply changes.
To "simple apply patch" you should have big number of test cases of all kinds - 
unit, functionality, regress, integrate.
You also should have wide and enough smart workflow for fixing issue, apply 
patch, develop new branch with new functionality or bug fixing in release 
Someone should support documentation for all this stuff and for projects API, 
user stories, etc.

Does anyone of you have enough time, money and knowledge to build whole 
infrastructure for that project?
If you can do all this stuff and keep it opensource and free (at least for non 
commercial use) just fork a current project and go ahead!
Everyone of us will say thank you very much!

Through some kind of magic this project still alive and it is good enough to 
use it for our purposes, and many thanks to the maintainers for this.

12 янв. 2015 г., в 11:57, Henrik Pauli <address@hidden> написал(а):

I have a *patch* that's been regularly ignored for 3 years :)

On 11/01/15 23:54, Liviu Andronic wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Peter Villeneuve <address@hidden> wrote:
I don't think so.
I have the exact same problem. I posted a bug about the Samsung Notes 2 and
3 here but never got any replies. I also noticed another user posted a
similar bug here months ago and he was also ignored (and the bug continues).

I'd like to add my voice to this. Often I hesitate whether it is worth
my effort reporting this or that annoying bug that makes Linphone
unusable, simply because most of the times my reports on the ML get
unnoticed, or at the very least don't get any replies. From the users'
perspective, incredibly frustrating, as it's no fun when your efforts
are almost surely going to waste. And this most certainly dampens many
users' enthusiasm to help Linphone devels track down issues with their
open-source software...

So yeah, a real bug tracker would be so much nicer. As would be more
interaction from Linphone devels. Knowing that a bug was heard, that
it was discussed, and that it was decided to wontfix or to fix (and
that there is an approximate time frame, say, before the end of next
year) is most satisfying for your users...

Perhaps Linphone needs a dedicated community organizer, or similar?

Best regards,

In fact, if you look through the archives, you'll notice most bug reports
never get any replies.
Not the most organized open source project I've seen...

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Eric Toombs <address@hidden> wrote:
Does linphone have a /real/ bug tracker? I posted a couple bugs on this
mailing list a year ago or so, and they were just buried, which is what
usually happens on a mailing list.

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