Re: petrucci style notehead for MetronomeMark, plus Piae Cantiones style G clef and time signature

[Jeff Olson]

Sorry it's taken a couple of days to answer.

On 11/12/2023 7:23 PM, Jon Arnold wrote:

I'm into this!

    Cool!  Have you done Gaudete?  If so, where did you get the music
    for the verses?  I wound up writing my own in Dorian to match the
    chorus, but Steeleye Span
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDc2FD-vy8M) did theirs in Aeolian
    (with a flatted sixth), if I'm not mistaken.  Wikipedia
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudete) says "the standard tune
    comes from older liturgical books" but gives no reference and I
    haven't found any other PD sources (the two on
    https://imslp.org/wiki/Gaudete%2C_Christus_est_natus_(Anonymous) are
    both SA and not authoritative, and also Aeolian).

1) Not sure on this one- you need to override the notehead in a \note {2} markup somehow since there's not a dedicated glyph for that.

    May study this more.  For now I'm using \tempo 2.=72 to help
    indicate what gets one beat.  I also use modern dotted halves in the
    music rather than expecting my modern readers to understand
    imperfection and alteration implicit in the original.

2) I think that's as close as you get with Emmantaler. You can see the list of clefs here: https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/clef-style

    That's what I feared.  I'd never seen a petrucci-g clef before, so I
    even tried the more common petrucci-c1 and moved it down to modern
    middle C, but now I'm back to petrucci-g.  I'm still hoping I can
    simulate the G clef symbol in Piae Cantiones.  Have you seen
    petrucci-g clefs in real music?

3) \override Staff.TimeSignature.style = #'single-digit

    Didn't like this look (it's modern, not mensural).   Instead I omit
    the time signature altogether.

Hope I don't annoy you by adding other things but:

    Not at all!  Thanks.

1) there are two semibreve (quarter note in your edition) rests at the beginning of the line if you haven't seen them

    Thank you for mentioning that!  I totally misinterpreted those marks
    as modifiers of the time signature.  I have now included quarter
    rests in mensural style, as it helps the reader understand that the
    first note is not on the downbeat but is a pickup.

2) consider adding the custos engraver to your staff context like you did with the ambitus: \consists "Custos_engraver" \override Custos.style = #'mensural

    Considered it already but didn't want to stress my modern readers
    with an unfamiliar benefit.

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:24 PM Jeff Olson <jjocanoe@gmail.com> wrote:

My questions ...

1)  How to get petrucci style note head in the tempo indication?

2)  Where to get the G clef as used in Piae Cantiones?

3)  How to get the time signature as used in Piae Cantiones?

Thanks again, Jon!

Jeff