Re: ties with accidental split over lines

[Knute Snortum]

I think it is the slur that is lower, not the accidental that is
higher, and I think its placement is correct according to "convention"
(or Gould), but if you want to change the shape of a slur broken over
two systems, you can use the \shape command:

\version "2.22.1"
\include "english.ly"

slurShapeA = \shape #'(
                        ((0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0))  % leave the
first broken slur alone
                        ((0 . 1) (0 . 1) (0 . 1) (0 . 1))  % Change
the height without changing the shape
                      ) Slur

\layout {
  line-width = #50
  indent = #0
}

\relative c'
{
  \clef "bass"
  \time 3/4
  s4 s e ~ | %1
  \break
  e^\markup{"tie"} r e( | %2
  \break
  e^\markup{"slur"}) r ef ~ | %3
  \break
  ef^\markup{"tie"} r \slurShapeA ef( | % 4
  \break
  ef^\markup{"slur"}) % 5
}


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Knute Snortum

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 6:34 PM David Zelinsky <dzpost@dedekind.net> wrote:
>
> When a tie on an accidental is split over two systems, Lilypond shows
> the accidental on both notes (which I think is correct), but then
> positions the tie on the second note very high, so as to clear the
> accidental.  This looks wrong, since ties are generally supposed to be
> close to the note head, and in particular closer to the note head than a
> slur would be.  But when there's a slur in this same circumstance,
> Lilypond sets the slur on the second note lower than for a tie, allowing
> it to intersect the accidental.
>
> Was this a design choice?  Is it a standard thing in engraving?  I don't
> have a good reference (e.g. Gould) in which to look this up.  I just
> think it seems wrong.
>
> And if I wanted to change it, to lower the tie on the second note, how
> would I do that?  I don't thing \shape will work in this situation,
> since how would it know which part of the tie I'm talking about?
>
> See snippet below.  Screen shot is attached.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -David
>
>
>
> \version "2.22.1"
> \include "english.ly"
>
> \layout {
>   line-width = #50
>   indent = #0
> }
>
> \relative c'
> {
>   \clef "bass"
>   \time 3/4
>   s4 s e ~ | %1
>   \break
>   e^\markup{"tie"} r e( | %2
>   \break
>   e^\markup{"slur"}) r ef ~ | %3
>   \break
>   ef^\markup{"tie"} r ef( | % 4
>   \break
>   ef^\markup{"slur"}) % 5
> }
>
>