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Re: A suggestion - add rf to built-in dynamics


From: Peter Toye
Subject: Re: A suggestion - add rf to built-in dynamics
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:23:40 +0000

Andrew, Malte,

Thanks for the opposing views!

Andrew, my point was that if two extremely well-known composers use a dynamic symbol, it's hardly non-standard, which is why I think it should be included even if it is a synonym for rfz.

Malte, I think I've seen all of these (but I can't remember where I saw pf - was it Mozart somewhere?) but extremely rarely. Schubert has fffz - how he managed that on an 1820s piano without breaking it I can't imagine. I wouldn’t suggest adding this though as it's very rare. I agree about \sp and \spp - what on earth are they meant to mean - a sudden quiet note in the middle of louder ones? Not a common musical gesture.


Best regards,

Peter
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www.ptoye.com

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>    1. Re: convert-ly problems (Knute Snortum)
>    2. Re: A suggestion - add rf to built-in
> dynamics (Andrew Bernard)
>    3. Re: Notes or chords sustained with a pedal (David R)
>    4. Re: Notes or chords sustained with a pedal (Aaron Hill)


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> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:45:06 -0800
> From: Knute Snortum <
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-->>C:\"Program Files (x86)"\LilyPond\usr\bin\python.exe<--

> This looks like the quotes are in the wrong place.

> ---
> Knute Snortum
> (via Gmail)

> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 4:32 AM Peter Gentry
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>> I spoke too soon.



>> C:\WINDOWS\system32>convert-ly



>> C:\WINDOWS\system32>C:\"Program Files (x86)"\LilyPond\usr\bin\python.exe C:\"Program Files (x86)"\LilyPond\usr\bin\convert-ly.py

>> C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\python.exe: can't open file 'C:"Program': [Errno 22] Invalid argument



>> C:\WINDOWS\system32>



>> This did work first time but now another wonderful windows surprise.

















>> From: Peter Gentry <
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>> Sent: 21 December 2019 12:02
>> To: Lilypond Users (
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>> Cc:
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>> Subject: convert-ly problems



>> Thanks Knute



>> However the problem for windows (as usual) is more difficult.  In addition to the PATH I needed the following to set up the association.

>> First get check the associated name of the python file type.

>> In an admin command prompt run the following

>> assoc {Python} result  “no association……”

>> I created one

>> Python="C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\python.exe" "%1"

>> Now I look in Default Apps and there is PYTHON

>> SUCCESS!

>> Now convert-ly.py works



>> I could have use something Lily specific as the association PYTHONLILY say maybe I will later.



>> I expect I will have to do something similar if I go back to PYTHON  proper.



>> Isn’t Windows wonderful ????



>> Regards Peter





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> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 10:23:46 +1100
> From: Andrew Bernard <
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> Subject: Re: A suggestion - add rf to built-in dynamics
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> Hi Peter,

> Well I have a library file with over 150 custom dynamics, for use with
> engraving new complexity school scores. It's a big file, with all
> sorts of rare dynamics. I see no need to push non-standard or rare
> dynamics on everybody. Just make an include file for your score and
> add 'rf'. One could argue that the original
> composers are in error, or
> it's an obsolete convention, and perhaps this would mislead modern
> players anyway (the infinite discussion of the urtext!).

> I don't see a need for rf to be added to the core set.

> [And amusingly I have  all the ones Malte
> suggested. and lots of marks
> like 'f (poco)' and similar which is actually commonly found, and yet
> does not need to be in the core.]


> Andrew

> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 at 23:42, Peter Toye
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>> May I suggest adding 'rf' to the built-in dynamics? Beethoven and Brahms used it quite a lot, even if it is synonymous with 'rfz' (pedants might disagree). As did some other, lesser, composers (one of whose music I am currently engraving).

>> A far as I can see, it just needs adding

>> rfz = #(make-dynamic-script "rfz")

>> to dynamic-scripts-init.ly

>> There's an easy workaround of course - just put that line somewhere in your own music, but to me it seems as though it's common enough to build it into LilyPond.


>> Regards,

>> Peter
>> mailto:address@hidden
>> www.ptoye.com



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> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 15:14:48 -0800
> From: David R <
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> To: lilypond-user <
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> Subject: Re: Notes or chords sustained with a pedal
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> On Friday, December 20, 2019, Robert Blackstone
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> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I’m presently transcribing some piano-scores in which schords, sustained
> with a pedal are notated in a way had not seen
> before (see screenshot).
>> I would like to copy it but I have no idea how to do it.
>> I would be grateful for any advice.


> The "Clumsy Hack Department" says you might
> create some invisible notes for
> those added ties to attach to.

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