Re: Multiple stanzas to selection of melody

[Marten]

tisimst <tisimst.lilypond <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Simon Albrecht-2 wrote
> > Am 29.07.2014 01:28, schrieb Marten:
> >> Hello Abraham, Simon,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your solutions and quick replies :)
> >>
> >> I decided to try to implement Simon's third solution, as it explicitly
> >> keeps the melody of the stanzas together with their texts.
> >>
> >> Ingenious - hadn't thought about a solution like that.
> >>
> >> I have two question about it though:
> >> 1. If I use \addlyrics instead of \new Lyrics for the stanzas, an 
ambitus
> >> will be rendered for the stanza and the refrain *separately* (a layout
> >> block activating the ambitus, must of course be added). If I use \new
> >> Lyrics, as in your solution, only one ambitus for the entire song is
> >> rendered (expected behaviour). Why is this so?
> > I find the question a bit confusing. Looking at Abrahams example (in 
the 
> > answer he wrote) makes me wonder why you use separate voices for 
refrain 
> > and verse. I can’t see any necessity to do so and it contradicts the 
> > logic of the music: after all, refrain and stanza are not sung by 
> > different singers. If you use two different voices, it’s only natural 
> > that each gets an ambitus of its own. What would you expect?
> >>
> >> 2. If the stanza melody begins with a rest, the text gets aligned under
> >> the
> >> rest. Why?
> > Please try once more to understand the difference in the mechanisms of 
> > my first and second examples: in the one with \addlyric, an association 
> > between lyrics and the voice is created and each syllable is associated 
> > with one note (thus, rests are skipped).
> > The other way does not use direct relation between lyrics and notes: 
> > both are entered separately, with their own durations, and it’s up to 
> > you to get the alignment in time correct. Lilypond will print 
everything 
> > at the point of time where you put it, and if a rest and a lyric 
> > syllable come at the same point of time, they will be aligned.
> > I hope you tried at least to understand the topic yourself from the 
> > lenghty and fully sufficient description in the manuals, to which I 
> > pointed you. Sometimes it takes a little time to comprehend, but it 
will 
> > save the time of the friendly persons on this list who help you with 
> > real problems.
> > 
> > Best regards, Simon
> > 
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> Simon,
> 
> I knew I had seen this somewhere and didn't just make it up (as shown in 
the
> official docs):
> 
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/learning/solo-verse-and-
two_002dpart-refrain
> <http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/learning/solo-verse-and-
two_002dpart-refrain>  
> 
> I think your answer may still be better, by the way, in response to the
> original question :)
> 
> Good work,
> Abraham
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Hello Simon, thanks for your explanation.

Yes I do understand the difference between \addlyrics and \new Lyrics.

The point is that when I replace one of the \new Lyrics with \addlyrics, 
that an extra ambitus appears. As I understand it, the ambitus engraver is 
triggered to restart counting by specifying \addlyrics when more than one 
Voice is present.

Since I could not get this to work for me with a single ambitus appearing, 
I decided to change to the method of your first example. A bit ugly in my 
opinion to add two lines with underscores to each stanza in order to skip 
the refrain, but the result then is correct :) To me this solution is still 
more pleasantly editing than specifying a duration in the text, but that's 
a matter of taste, I guess.

The solution Abraham pointed to also uses two voices, and for that reason 
also two ambituses will appear. (I tested this.)

[On a sidenote: the problem of adding a text to only a part of a melody 
could be very smoothly solved if Lilypond provided the option to add a name 
to a certain part of the melody. The text might then be added as \lyricsto 
<partname>.]

Anyway: problem solved. Thanks!