Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

[Wim van Dommelen]

On 31 Jan 2013, at 17:48 , Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:

> On 01/30/2013 09:42 AM, Wim van Dommelen wrote:
> > That is why the "low-bass-clarinet" stencil exists. That is (as I  
> > reverse
> > engineer it) intended for bass-clarinet toward low-C (the concert  
> > model) whereas
> > the "bass-clarinet" is the low-Ees (streetmodel).
>
> Well, my point is that "low-bass-clarinet" doesn't necessarily cut  
> it, because you have multiple different extended members of the  
> clarinet family, and even within the same manufacturer, their  
> fingering systems vary.
True.

> For example: going by the images and information on the Buffet  
> Crampon website, their basset horn comes with an alternate left hand  
> Ab/Eb key; their basset clarinet doesn't.  I also suspect that their  
> basset clarinet has only one thumb key (for low C) while their  
> basset horn and low-C bass may have more.
>
> So, if we're REALLY going to ensure that diagrams are accurate, then  
> we probably need to do a careful survey of the fingering mechanisms  
> for basset clarinets, basset horns, and low-C bass, contra-alto and  
> contrabass clarinets, for each of the main manufacturers (Buffet,  
> Selmer, Leblanc, Yamaha).
That would necessarily involve a diagrams for each brand/model  
combination ? Otherwise it would be a nightmare to control which key  
to show and which not.

And to do it so others really can follow it we should name it  
accordingly, e.g.: "Selmer-Privilege-low-C".

Ia there any rule in using Trademarks and mentioning these in the  
documentation? This could open up a quagmire because several models of  
regular clarinets also have key additions....

> I think it's probably sane to limit ourselves to current models --  
> to try and address the past would be to open a huge can of worms --  
> but even with this limit, there's a fair number of different  
> diagrams to potentially cope with.
Yeah, let's keep it simple to start with.

> In any case, at a minimum you need 3 different diagrams:
>
>    -- regular clarinet (to low E)
Boehm, I presume? Currently diagram "clarinet". Not adjusted for brand/ 
models, just fairly generic.

>    -- full Boehm (to low Eb)
Currently diagram "bass-clarinet". Idem.

>    -- extended (to low C)
Diagram "low-bass-clarinet". Idem.

> ... and that's before you even think of trying to support Oehler- 
> system instruments.
Not to think of Albert type instruments (including the (Oehler?) and  
the variations there..... :-(

> I'll get that scan this weekend.
Marvellous.


Regards,
Wim.