Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 174, Issue 4

[Greg - Traacker -]

   Hey there folks, Traacker here.
   I do not have the time to dig deeper on how to connect with the folks
   involved with this idea, except to join yet another platform I just do
   not have the bandwidth for now.\\
   If there is another link available, via just LibrePlanet, I would
   welcome a nudge in that direction to participate that way.
   thx
   t
   Sharing is Caring
   AKOPIMIZ

   On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 12:02 PM
   <[1]libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org> wrote:

     Send libreplanet-discuss mailing list submissions to
             [2]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

     [3]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus
     s
     or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
             [4]libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org
     You can reach the person managing the list at
             [5]libreplanet-discuss-owner@libreplanet.org
     When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
     than "Re: Contents of libreplanet-discuss digest..."
     Today's Topics:
        1. Re: Introducing a new project for teenagers in free software
           (and how you can help!) (Stephen Paul Weber)
        2. Re: Introducing a new project for teenagers in free software
           (and how you can help!) (Paul Sutton)
     --------------------------------------------------------------------
     --
     Message: 1
     Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 22:04:52 +0000
     From: Stephen Paul Weber <[6]singpolyma@singpolyma.net>
     To: [7]carmenmaris@tutanota.com
     Cc: Libreplanet Discuss <[8]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
     Subject: Re: Introducing a new project for teenagers in free
     software
             (and how you can help!)
     Message-ID: <[9]20241204220452.GA28708@singpolyma.net>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
     >For the past several months I've been working on a project whose
     aim is to
     >bring
     >teenagers into the free software movement, help them develop their
     >skills and give them a fun and supportive community that will
     sustain
     >their interest.
     This is an important thing and I look forward to hearing more. If by
     any
     chance you have a Jabber ID you'll also find some interested
     individuals at
     [10]xmpp:libreparents@conference.singpolyma.net?join
     >I need members to found an incorporated society.
     I could possibly be interested in this.
     ------------------------------
     Message: 2
     Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 15:26:11 +0000
     From: Paul Sutton <[11]paulsutton@disroot.org>
     To: [12]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     Subject: Re: Introducing a new project for teenagers in free
     software
             (and how you can help!)
     Message-ID: <[13]e956db5e-0be3-4311-9970-665ae4d3b961@disroot.org>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
     Hi Carmen
     So are the first few steps here?  Clearly you are reaching out to
     people
     which is a good     thing, build a team and a team of contacts.
     How do we market this,
     What you said here
     "
     The idea that free software is
     an ethical imperative is really important to me, and I don't want to
     encourage
     anyone to use non-free software or give the impression I endorse it.
     "
     How would this apply to social media, we know that platforms such as
     Instagram and TikTok are popular with the target age groups,
     however do
     we need to embrace that to reach the audience but mirror content on
     platforms such as Mastodon, PixelFed and Loops (
     [14]https://loops.video/ )
     and peertube, for the latter can we make use of the existing fsf
     peertub
     account.  or we add 'extra' content on the more freedom respecting
     platforms.   We need to hook people over I guess.
     How do we factor in the sort of platforms young people use, vs the
     platforms the rest of us use, social media vs forums / mailing lists
     for
     example,  or use matrix over irc  as it probably looks more like
     what
     young people are used to, matrix is or can be encrypted for
     example.  It
     does look nicer, mobile friendly and share a qr code to join a room
     (so
     like discord).
     Paul
     On 05/12/2024 00:17, Carmen Maris via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
     >
     > Hi Aaron,
     >
     > Down the road, a project like that could be really interesting
     once
     >   I'm more established. However,  for the first year or so I need
     to work
     >   with what I can do with more or less just me and a very small
     budget.
     > I'm already expecting to do an awful amount.
     >
     >> Although there
     > are definitely issues with GitHub, privacy, and consuming open
     source
     > technologies for closed source gain, I was just looking at some of
     the
     > learning materials on GitHub and I think there may be funding or
     > technical support available from Microsoft to create such a
     > project.Obviously we need to make sure that the objective is
     learning
     > code, not learning to use GitHub, and promoting open source
     software,
     > not maximizing profit to the determent of society.
     >
     > I'd be very cautious about this, to be honest. The idea that free
     software is
     > an ethical imperative is really important to me, and I don't want
     to encourage
     > anyone to use non-free software or give the impression I endorse
     it.
     >
     >>   am connected to both the education and engineering departments
     at
     > UMass in Massachusetts, USA and will put feelers out for potential
     > collaborators. Do you have a website/other documents with more
     info on
     > the framework?
     > Thank you!
     >
     > I don't have anything I can give you immediately (what I have
     contains a lot
     > of sensitive information), but you're very welcome to pass my
     e-mail address
     >   along. I'm delighted to answer questions.
     >
     > It might help to know I'm taking a really broad approach to who
     belongs in
     > free software. I don't just want to attract future programmers
     (although they're
     >   very important!!). It's also important for me to bring in teens
     that might be
     > interested in learning other skills like technical writing or UX
     design, as well as
     > young people in general that are just interested in how technology
     affects them and
     > society. There are many ways to be interested in technology, and
     they're all valuable.
     > I want my community to be a welcoming place for people who love
     computers in
     > all sorts of unique ways.
     >
     > - Carmen
     >
     >
     >> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:23:24 -0500
     >> From: Aaron E-J <[15]the@otherrealm.org>
     >> To: [16]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     >> Subject: Re: Introducing a new project for teenagers in free
     software
     >>   (and how you can help!)
     >> Message-ID:
     <[17]4aa8dd31-7342-4ac0-b6e4-47c51a4b00ee@otherrealm.org>
     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
     >>
     >> I have thought that the idea of working on open source projects
     as
     >> learning tools would be a great win-win-win opportunity to
     advance
     >> education.I am coming in the context of the college level, but I
     think
     >> we need to start students down the path towards free software as
     early
     >> as possible.The name for the project I was thinking of is called
     "World
     >> Piece" or "World Pieces" and it is a play on the notion of
     breaking
     >> learning goals into code tasks.Basically how I was thinking this
     would
     >> work is, given a topic to be learnt, there is some auto-curation
     of open
     >> source git repositories with open tasks to be completed.Although
     there
     >> are definitely issues with GitHub, privacy, and consuming open
     source
     >> technologies for closed source gain, I was just looking at some
     of the
     >> learning materials on GitHub and I think there may be funding or
     >> technical support available from Microsoft to create such a
     >> project.Obviously we need to make sure that the objective is
     learning
     >> code, not learning to use GitHub, and promoting open source
     software,
     >> not maximizing profit to the determent of society.However, I
     think the
     >> general concept of integrating open project issues into learning
     tasks
     >> is a far more efficacious means of teaching than having students
     work on
     >> meaningless one-off homework that has no larger purpose.There
     could even
     >> be the chance to get industry funding for students to earn money
     based
     >> on completion of sponsored tasks, although again, we need to be
     careful
     >> to not turn this into an exploitative means of getting cheap
     labor.
     >>
     >> I am connected to both the education and engineering departments
     at
     >> UMass in Massachusetts, USA and will put feelers out for
     potential
     >> collaborators.Do you have a website/other documents with more
     info on
     >> the framework?Do you think my idea and yours can be melded into
     some
     >> sort of larger plan?
     >>
     >> Aaron E-J
     >> The Other Realm
     >> [18]http://otherrealm.org
     >> [19]http://theotherrealm.org (Blog)
     >>
     >>
     >
     > _______________________________________________
     > libreplanet-discuss mailing list
     > [20]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     >
     [21]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
     ss
     -------------- next part --------------
     A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
     Name: OpenPGP_0x0F0FCC854F583258.asc
     Type: application/pgp-keys
     Size: 2448 bytes
     Desc: OpenPGP public key
     URL:
     <[22]https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/
     attachments/20241205/bbfc842b/attachment.key>
     -------------- next part --------------
     A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
     Name: OpenPGP_signature.asc
     Type: application/pgp-signature
     Size: 665 bytes
     Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
     URL:
     <[23]https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/
     attachments/20241205/bbfc842b/attachment.sig>
     ------------------------------
     Subject: Digest Footer
     _______________________________________________
     libreplanet-discuss mailing list
     [24]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     [25]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
     ss
     ------------------------------
     End of libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 174, Issue 4
     ***************************************************

References

   1. mailto:libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org
   2. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   3. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
   4. mailto:libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org
   5. mailto:libreplanet-discuss-owner@libreplanet.org
   6. mailto:singpolyma@singpolyma.net
   7. mailto:carmenmaris@tutanota.com
   8. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   9. 20241204220452.GA28708@singpolyma.net">mailto:20241204220452.GA28708@singpolyma.net
  10. http://xmpp:libreparents@conference.singpolyma.net/?join
  11. mailto:paulsutton@disroot.org
  12. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  13. e956db5e-0be3-4311-9970-665ae4d3b961@disroot.org">mailto:e956db5e-0be3-4311-9970-665ae4d3b961@disroot.org
  14. https://loops.video/
  15. mailto:the@otherrealm.org
  16. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  17. 4aa8dd31-7342-4ac0-b6e4-47c51a4b00ee@otherrealm.org">mailto:4aa8dd31-7342-4ac0-b6e4-47c51a4b00ee@otherrealm.org
  18. http://otherrealm.org/
  19. http://theotherrealm.org/
  20. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  21. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
  22. 
https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20241205/bbfc842b/attachment.key
  23. 
https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20241205/bbfc842b/attachment.sig
  24. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  25. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss