Re: Liberty-eiffel Digest, Vol 53, Issue 9

[Peter Lubke]

Hello all.

Now, I'm going to ask a serious question.

Have you thought about all the ramifications and effects of "being just like ISE"?

"Interoperability" was an original (1990's) Eiffel principle/goal/dream. 

But not a 21st century position at all - at least not from the dominant commercial vendor. No, no, no - very very far from it. And while that makes sense from a business perspective, competition is usually a good thing.

In full disclosure, the reason I stopped using Gobo Eiffel was that it began to be "just like ISE". It does not compete, it just provides unpaid support. While I think Eric has always done a great job, I just don't agree with the direction of the last many several years, and taking Liberty Eiffel in the same direction - well, you can see where I'm going here.

So Liberty Eiffel has been my go to Eiffel compiler in recent years. Not that I use it a lot. Viva la difference! I'm mostly on linux, so gnu is my main compiler set.

The Eiffel community shrunk drastically when "standard" Eiffel was created. 

Sometimes, when you get lost the best thing to do is go back to the last place where you knew where you were (if you can).

So I put it to you that if you want to pursue "interoperability", you should do it with something like Rust, Scala or [sacrilege] C++23. 

Finding a common direction to row in is important for the Liberty Eiffel group if it wants to be active. It's just a small fish in a small pond. Do you want to escape to the ocean? or join a larger fish in another small pond? or play with sharks? or just safely build the pond a little larger? It's also important to have a unique direction.

However, that's just my 20 cents worth (adjusted for inflation).

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Welcome Patrick, soyez bienvenue !

Very cool to see new faces around here :)

Cordialement

Hans

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> Hi all,

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> I'm a software engineer. I closely followed the development of

> Smalleiffel at the end of the 90's but never contributed to it.

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> Now, I'd like to be involved in LibertyEiffel, as well as Gobo.

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> I have a strong professional background in C (not by choice, actually),

> I have used many languages, mainly Eiffel, Erlang, C, C++, Java and

> assemblers, for 30 years, but I definitely consider Eiffel as the best

> designed language by far.

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> I have rediscovered Liberty Eiffel last week, and I'm really happy to

> see it as an active project again.

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> I think that the priority is the one Eric Bezault has pointed out :

> interoperability between ISE, Gobo and Liberty.

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> I'd be really glad to contribute to Gobo's and Liberty Eiffel's next

> developments !

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> Patrick CLOAREC

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