Re: Liberty-eiffel Digest, Vol 50, Issue 8

[Hans Zwakenberg]

Hi Paolo,

thank you for your explanation! Best wishes for your CE degree.

Hans


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>    1. Tutorials for beginners (Duke Normandin)
>    2. Re: Tutorials for beginners (Oleg Terentiev)
>    3. Re: Tutorials for beginners (Duke Normandin)
>    4. Re: Noob First Post (Paolo Redaelli)
>    5. Re: Noob First Post (Eric Bezault)
>    6. Re: Noob First Post (Eric Bezault)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:37:47 -0700
> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofpurl@gmx.com>
> To: liberty-eiffel-list <liberty-eiffel@gnu.org>
> Subject: Tutorials for beginners
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> I found these! I hope that they help someone else other than me>
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> https://www.maths.tcd.ie/~odunlain/eiffel/eiffel_course/eforb.htm
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> https://eiffel-guide.com/
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> --
> Duke
> ** Text only please. Bottom post is best. **
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> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:25:37 +0700
> From: Oleg Terentiev <dragon-78@yandex.ru>
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> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 23:34:03 -0700
> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofpurl@gmx.com>
> To: Oleg Terentiev <dragon-78@yandex.ru>
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> On Nov 26, 2021, at 11:25 PM, Oleg Terentiev <dragon-78@yandex.ru> wrote:
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> > ?Thank you, Duke!
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> ?
> ?
> Duke
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 11:44:42 +0100
> From: Paolo Redaelli <paolo.redaelli@gmail.com>
> To: liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
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> Il 25/11/21 19:50, Raphael Mack ha scritto:
> > Hi,
> >
> > oh, this is much traffic on this list. Very nice :-)
> >
> > Actually there was some activity years ago, but without active users it
> > was not really fun anymore to continue developing Liberty. You know how
> > it is with free software projects without paid developers, if we can't
> > keep the contributors motivated (by whatever means) it will eventually
> > die. I for myself did not yet decide to finally leave and still have
> > interest but there is also a real life...
> >
> > That said, I would be happy to resurrect LibertyEiffel, but I cannot do
> > it alone. Even more these days, as I professionally quit from software
> > developing I might be more attracted/motivated to work on it in my free
> > time. So if anyone is interested I'd be happy to not have paid the
> > domain fees for nothing :-)
> 
> And you are not alone!
> 
> I think I must now explain why I have been so absent in recent years: 
> I'm going for a degree in Computer Engineering. In fact when I started 
> university I has two feasible paths: Civil structural engineering and IT.
> 
> I chose civil engineering, mainly because I wanted to help my father in 
> the firm of our families but also because I wanted to be keep the fun of 
> hacking, to maintain the freedom of choosing which IT tecnologies to follow.
> 
> ButTimes They Are A Changing, so I started studying for my second degree 
> in Computer Engineering. Now I've got only 4 exams left. But this effort 
> adds to a full-time 10h/day work and real life.
> 
> Initially I planned to use Liberty Eiffel for my final exam, as I 
> discovered that Bertrand Meyer has some tiers with my university 
> (Politecnico di Milano). Today I'm not sure I could as it seems that the 
> final exam is Java-centric.
> 
> I want to keep having fun in programming and Liberty Eiffel is my joy.
> 
> I must admit I've been distracted by far too many issues lately.
> 
> I will strive, despite all other commitments I have to devote at least 
> an hour a day to Liberty from now on.
> 
> Cyril Adrian had made a wonderful job on the compiler. Perhaps it is 
> time to let the world know it and make some "modern", online tutorials.
> 
> I once wanted to add the "convert" features to the compiler, but 
> spreading Liberty is perhaps better.
> 
> And adding GTK support
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 14:03:12 +0100
> From: Eric Bezault <ericb@gobosoft.com>
> To: liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
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> On 27/11/2021 11:44, Paolo Redaelli wrote:> And adding GTK support
> Note that there is already support for GTK in EiffelVision2
> (https://github.com/EiffelSoftware/libraries/tree/master/Src/library/vision2/implementation/gtk3).
> So what would be nice is if Liberty Eiffel could support the
> ECMA Eiffel dialect, or at least the parts that are often used
> in third party Eiffel libraries. It would be so nice to be able
> to use Eiffel libraries that already exist out there without
> having to worry about what Eiffel compiler we use. This would
> avoid duplicating the work and focus on new Eiffel libraries and
> tools which are still missing.
> 
> For what the Gobo compiler is concerned, I put a lot of effort
> to support the same Eiffel dialect as EiffelStudio, and to
> make it use the same kernel library (EiffelBase), and the same
> configuration files (ECF). That way it is much easier to reuse
> Eiffel libraries which have been initially developed with
> EiffelStudio. If we could to the same with Liberty Eiffel
> it would be nice.
> 
> -- 
> Eric Bezault
> mailto:ericb@gobosoft.com
> http://www.gobosoft.com
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 14:07:13 +0100
> From: Eric Bezault <ericb@gobosoft.com>
> To: liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
> Message-ID: <1036e967-5e52-612f-9623-c968609a8384@gobosoft.com>
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> Fixed formatting issue in my previous message:
> 
> On 27/11/2021 11:44, Paolo Redaelli wrote:
>  > And adding GTK support
> 
> Note that there is already support for GTK in EiffelVision2
> (https://github.com/EiffelSoftware/libraries/tree/master/Src/library/vision2/implementation/gtk3).
> So what would be nice is if Liberty Eiffel could support the
> ECMA Eiffel dialect, or at least the parts that are often used
> in third party Eiffel libraries. It would be so nice to be able
> to use Eiffel libraries that already exist out there without
> having to worry about what Eiffel compiler we use. This would
> avoid duplicating the work and focus on new Eiffel libraries and
> tools which are still missing.
> 
> For what the Gobo compiler is concerned, I put a lot of effort
> to support the same Eiffel dialect as EiffelStudio, and to
> make it use the same kernel library (EiffelBase), and the same
> configuration files (ECF). That way it is much easier to reuse
> Eiffel libraries which have been initially developed with
> EiffelStudio. If we could to the same with Liberty Eiffel
> it would be nice.
> 
> -- 
> Eric Bezault
> mailto:ericb@gobosoft.com
> http://www.gobosoft.com
> 
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