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Hans Zwakenberg |
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Re: Liberty-eiffel Digest, Vol 50, Issue 5 |
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Fri, 26 Nov 2021 10:18:32 +0100 (CET) |
For what it's worth: yesterday I installed GOBO on a Windows10 machine and am
now installing Liberty Eiffel on an old Celeron Debian system. I'd be very
interested to see Liberty Eiffel come to life again. Let's see where this is
going...
cheers
Hans
> liberty-eiffel-request@gnu.org hat am 26.11.2021 00:00 geschrieben:
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> 1. Re: Noob First Post (Raphael Mack)
> 2. Re: Noob First Post (Duke Normandin)
> 3. Re: Noob First Post (Louis M)
> 4. Re: Noob First Post (Louis M)
> 5. Re: Noob First Post (Louis M)
> 6. Re: Noob First Post (Eric Bezault)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:50:31 +0100
> From: Raphael Mack <ramack@raphael-mack.de>
> To: liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
> Message-ID:
> <794bfdd11b56438d4b4ed3db3f74ae2d3e214e98.camel@raphael-mack.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi,
>
> oh, this is much traffic on this list. Very nice :-)
>
> Actually there was some activity years ago, but without active users it
> was not really fun anymore to continue developing Liberty. You know how
> it is with free software projects without paid developers, if we can't
> keep the contributors motivated (by whatever means) it will eventually
> die. I for myself did not yet decide to finally leave and still have
> interest but there is also a real life...
>
> That said, I would be happy to resurrect LibertyEiffel, but I cannot do
> it alone. Even more these days, as I professionally quit from software
> developing I might be more attracted/motivated to work on it in my free
> time. So if anyone is interested I'd be happy to not have paid the
> domain fees for nothing :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Rapha
>
> Am Donnerstag, dem 25.11.2021 um 00:06 -0600 schrieb Germ?n Arias:
> > Hi
> > On 24/11/21 20:33, Oleg Terentiev wrote:
> > ?
> > > ?
> > > - ???
> > > ?
> > > Hi.
> > > I newbie too and I have question too.
> > > Wo to build LibertyEiffel on Windows? Wich compilers preferd? Is
> > > tcc enought?
> > > ?
> > > PS: All, do you want a story, why I'm interesting Eiffel? It is off
> > > topic for this mailing list, but it is activity.
> > > ?
> > > 25.11.2021, 02:56, "Duke Normandin" <dukeofpurl@gmx.com>:
> > > ?
> > > > Hi!
> > > > ?Just installed Liberty Eiffel on my antiX Linux laptop!
> > > > ?Works like a charm! Thank you developers!
> > > > ?
> > > > ?Need suggestions for a beginner's Eiffel tutorial. TIA--
> > > > ?Duke
> > > > ?** Text only please. Bottom post is best. **
> > > --?
> > > b.r., Oleg Terentiev
> >
> > For LibertyEiffel the tutorial are just the examples at "tutorial"
> > folder in source code. As far as I know, there isn't installer for
> > Windows. Said that, Liberty Eiffel seems to be abandoned. Some years
> > ago I start writing a GUI library for Liberty Eiffel, but since it
> > seem abandoned I port it to Gobo Eiffel. Gobo Eiffel is here (with
> > Windows installer)
> > https://github.com/gobo-eiffel/gobo
> > And my GUI library is here (for GOBO and with a tutorial)
> > https://notabug.org/GermanGT/eiffel-iup
> > Regards
> >
> > ?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 11:57:59 -0700
> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofpurl@gmx.com>
> To: liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
> Message-ID: <20211125115759.f1d06f7c3f95d5a32a16a638@gmx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:50:31 +0100
> Raphael Mack <ramack@raphael-mack.de> wrote:
>
>
> > Actually there was some activity years ago, but without active
> > users it was not really fun anymore to continue developing
> > Liberty. You know how it is with free software projects without
> > paid developers, if we can't keep the contributors motivated (by
> > whatever means) it will eventually die. I for myself did not yet
> > decide to finally leave and still have interest but there is also
> > a real life...
> >
> > That said, I would be happy to resurrect LibertyEiffel, but I
> > cannot do it alone. Even more these days, as I professionally
> > quit from software developing I might be more attracted/motivated
> > to work on it in my free time. So if anyone is interested I'd be
> > happy to not have paid the domain fees for nothing :-)
>
> I'm just an amateur, hobbyist code monkey, but would be willing to
> help out. I could be assigned some tedious tasks to perform. We
> could give that a try if it would help.
> --
> Duke
> ** Text only please. Bottom post is best. **
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:17:38 -0500
> From: Louis M <eiffel@tioui.com>
> To: liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
> Message-ID: <3f353733-aeff-1955-7c19-e6a9abb3dee4@tioui.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
>
> I must admit that the timing is quite good. I have worked a lot with
> EiffelStudio and have developed a lot of things for it (a lot of
> libraries actually). But Eiffel Software seems to want to close the door
> to the openness of EiffelStudio. We have to work with a 2-year-old
> version (19.05) so that EiffelStudio want to launch without the
> necessity of having an online account. So, I am a little bit mad about
> that. But I love the Eiffel programming language. So if you need my help
> with Liberty Eiffel, I would be glad to help. I am a pretty good
> programmer, that beleive in open source software, and that has
> experience in language development. So count me in.
>
> Good day,
>
> Louis M
>
> On 2021-11-25 1:50 p.m., Raphael Mack wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > oh, this is much traffic on this list. Very nice :-)
> >
> > Actually there was some activity years ago, but without active users it
> > was not really fun anymore to continue developing Liberty. You know how
> > it is with free software projects without paid developers, if we can't
> > keep the contributors motivated (by whatever means) it will eventually
> > die. I for myself did not yet decide to finally leave and still have
> > interest but there is also a real life...
> >
> > That said, I would be happy to resurrect LibertyEiffel, but I cannot do
> > it alone. Even more these days, as I professionally quit from software
> > developing I might be more attracted/motivated to work on it in my free
> > time. So if anyone is interested I'd be happy to not have paid the
> > domain fees for nothing :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rapha
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, dem 25.11.2021 um 00:06 -0600 schrieb Germ?n Arias:
> >> Hi
> >> On 24/11/21 20:33, Oleg Terentiev wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> - ???
> >>>
> >>> Hi.
> >>> I newbie too and I have question too.
> >>> Wo to build LibertyEiffel on Windows? Wich compilers preferd? Is
> >>> tcc enought?
> >>>
> >>> PS: All, do you want a story, why I'm interesting Eiffel? It is off
> >>> topic for this mailing list, but it is activity.
> >>>
> >>> 25.11.2021, 02:56, "Duke Normandin" <dukeofpurl@gmx.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>> ?Just installed Liberty Eiffel on my antiX Linux laptop!
> >>>> ?Works like a charm! Thank you developers!
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Need suggestions for a beginner's Eiffel tutorial. TIA--
> >>>> ?Duke
> >>>> ?** Text only please. Bottom post is best. **
> >>> --
> >>> b.r., Oleg Terentiev
> >> For LibertyEiffel the tutorial are just the examples at "tutorial"
> >> folder in source code. As far as I know, there isn't installer for
> >> Windows. Said that, Liberty Eiffel seems to be abandoned. Some years
> >> ago I start writing a GUI library for Liberty Eiffel, but since it
> >> seem abandoned I port it to Gobo Eiffel. Gobo Eiffel is here (with
> >> Windows installer)
> >> https://github.com/gobo-eiffel/gobo
> >> And my GUI library is here (for GOBO and with a tutorial)
> >> https://notabug.org/GermanGT/eiffel-iup
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 15:20:41 -0500
> From: Louis M <louis@tioui.com>
> To: liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
> Message-ID: <add77fe9-1cf6-9217-a061-acd7f124b313@tioui.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry if you receive the email multiple time. I forgot what email I
> subscribed with.
>
> I must admit that the timing is quite good. I have worked a lot with
> EiffelStudio and have developed a lot of things for it (a lot of
> libraries actually). But Eiffel Software seems to want to close the door
> to the openness of EiffelStudio. We have to work with a 2-year-old
> version (19.05) so that EiffelStudio want to launch without the
> necessity of having an online account. So, I am a little bit mad about
> that. But I love the Eiffel programming language. So if you need my help
> with Liberty Eiffel, I would be glad to help. I am a pretty good
> programmer, that beleive in open source software, and that has
> experience in language development. So count me in.
>
> Good day,
>
> Louis M
>
> On 2021-11-25 1:50 p.m., Raphael Mack wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > oh, this is much traffic on this list. Very nice :-)
> >
> > Actually there was some activity years ago, but without active users it
> > was not really fun anymore to continue developing Liberty. You know how
> > it is with free software projects without paid developers, if we can't
> > keep the contributors motivated (by whatever means) it will eventually
> > die. I for myself did not yet decide to finally leave and still have
> > interest but there is also a real life...
> >
> > That said, I would be happy to resurrect LibertyEiffel, but I cannot do
> > it alone. Even more these days, as I professionally quit from software
> > developing I might be more attracted/motivated to work on it in my free
> > time. So if anyone is interested I'd be happy to not have paid the
> > domain fees for nothing :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rapha
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, dem 25.11.2021 um 00:06 -0600 schrieb Germ?n Arias:
> >> Hi
> >> On 24/11/21 20:33, Oleg Terentiev wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> - ???
> >>>
> >>> Hi.
> >>> I newbie too and I have question too.
> >>> Wo to build LibertyEiffel on Windows? Wich compilers preferd? Is
> >>> tcc enought?
> >>>
> >>> PS: All, do you want a story, why I'm interesting Eiffel? It is off
> >>> topic for this mailing list, but it is activity.
> >>>
> >>> 25.11.2021, 02:56, "Duke Normandin" <dukeofpurl@gmx.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>> ?Just installed Liberty Eiffel on my antiX Linux laptop!
> >>>> ?Works like a charm! Thank you developers!
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Need suggestions for a beginner's Eiffel tutorial. TIA--
> >>>> ?Duke
> >>>> ?** Text only please. Bottom post is best. **
> >>> --
> >>> b.r., Oleg Terentiev
> >> For LibertyEiffel the tutorial are just the examples at "tutorial"
> >> folder in source code. As far as I know, there isn't installer for
> >> Windows. Said that, Liberty Eiffel seems to be abandoned. Some years
> >> ago I start writing a GUI library for Liberty Eiffel, but since it
> >> seem abandoned I port it to Gobo Eiffel. Gobo Eiffel is here (with
> >> Windows installer)
> >> https://github.com/gobo-eiffel/gobo
> >> And my GUI library is here (for GOBO and with a tutorial)
> >> https://notabug.org/GermanGT/eiffel-iup
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 15:31:24 -0500
> From: Louis M <prog@tioui.com>
> To: liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
> Message-ID: <fdb83084-2bf9-31fc-861d-3a60cdf3c084@tioui.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry if you receive the email multiple time. I forgot what email I
> subscribed with.
>
> I must admit that the timing is quite good. I have worked a lot with
> EiffelStudio and have developed a lot of things for it (a lot of
> libraries actually). But Eiffel Software seems to want to close the door
> to the openness of EiffelStudio. We have to work with a 2-year-old
> version (19.05) so that EiffelStudio want to launch without the
> necessity of having an online account. So, I am a little bit mad about
> that. But I love the Eiffel programming language. So if you need my help
> with Liberty Eiffel, I would be glad to help. I am a pretty good
> programmer, that believe in open source software, and that has
> experience in language development. So count me in.
>
> Good day,
>
> Louis M
>
> On 2021-11-25 1:50 p.m., Raphael Mack wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > oh, this is much traffic on this list. Very nice :-)
> >
> > Actually there was some activity years ago, but without active users it
> > was not really fun anymore to continue developing Liberty. You know how
> > it is with free software projects without paid developers, if we can't
> > keep the contributors motivated (by whatever means) it will eventually
> > die. I for myself did not yet decide to finally leave and still have
> > interest but there is also a real life...
> >
> > That said, I would be happy to resurrect LibertyEiffel, but I cannot do
> > it alone. Even more these days, as I professionally quit from software
> > developing I might be more attracted/motivated to work on it in my free
> > time. So if anyone is interested I'd be happy to not have paid the
> > domain fees for nothing :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rapha
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, dem 25.11.2021 um 00:06 -0600 schrieb Germ?n Arias:
> >> Hi
> >> On 24/11/21 20:33, Oleg Terentiev wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> - ???
> >>>
> >>> Hi.
> >>> I newbie too and I have question too.
> >>> Wo to build LibertyEiffel on Windows? Wich compilers preferd? Is
> >>> tcc enought?
> >>>
> >>> PS: All, do you want a story, why I'm interesting Eiffel? It is off
> >>> topic for this mailing list, but it is activity.
> >>>
> >>> 25.11.2021, 02:56, "Duke Normandin" <dukeofpurl@gmx.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>> ?Just installed Liberty Eiffel on my antiX Linux laptop!
> >>>> ?Works like a charm! Thank you developers!
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Need suggestions for a beginner's Eiffel tutorial. TIA--
> >>>> ?Duke
> >>>> ?** Text only please. Bottom post is best. **
> >>> --
> >>> b.r., Oleg Terentiev
> >> For LibertyEiffel the tutorial are just the examples at "tutorial"
> >> folder in source code. As far as I know, there isn't installer for
> >> Windows. Said that, Liberty Eiffel seems to be abandoned. Some years
> >> ago I start writing a GUI library for Liberty Eiffel, but since it
> >> seem abandoned I port it to Gobo Eiffel. Gobo Eiffel is here (with
> >> Windows installer)
> >> https://github.com/gobo-eiffel/gobo
> >> And my GUI library is here (for GOBO and with a tutorial)
> >> https://notabug.org/GermanGT/eiffel-iup
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 00:00:10 +0100
> From: Eric Bezault <ericb@gobosoft.com>
> To: Louis M <eiffel@tioui.com>, liberty-eiffel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Noob First Post
> Message-ID: <a1c88e03-0cbe-e650-84d6-93e09b97e95f@gobosoft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 25/11/2021 20:17, Louis M via wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I must admit that the timing is quite good. I have worked a lot with
> > EiffelStudio and have developed a lot of things for it (a lot of
> > libraries actually). But Eiffel Software seems to want to close the door
> > to the openness of EiffelStudio. We have to work with a 2-year-old
> > version (19.05) so that EiffelStudio want to launch without the
> > necessity of having an online account. So, I am a little bit mad about
> > that. But I love the Eiffel programming language. So if you need my help
> > with Liberty Eiffel, I would be glad to help. I am a pretty good
> > programmer, that beleive in open source software, and that has
> > experience in language development. So count me in.
>
> Despite its quality, the Eiffel Liberty compiler does
> not implement the same Eiffel dialect as EiffelStudio.
> So you might need a lot of rewrite before being able
> to compile your libraries with this compiler.
>
> Note that the Gobo Eiffel compiler supports the same
> Eiffel dialect as EiffelStudio. So it might be worth
> giving it a try to compile your libraries.
>
> --
> Eric Bezault
> mailto:ericb@gobosoft.com
> http://www.gobosoft.com
>
>
>
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