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Re: [Liberty-eiffel] Bug #44601


From: Raphael Mack
Subject: Re: [Liberty-eiffel] Bug #44601
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:33:55 +0200

Ah, BTW: the very same assertion violation occurs on Linux/gcc ;-(

Regards,
Rapha
Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2016, 22:04 +0200 schrieb Raphael Mack:
> Please add "-boost" to the command line of c2c-germ.
> 
> In theory it should also go without, but the assertions in the compiler
> are currently not 100% clean. And yes, we should have an ET stage,
> compiling the compiler (and maybe a bit more) with an
> assertions-enabled-compiler, but we're not there yet ;-(
> 
> And last but not least the compilation speed will increase very much!
> 
> Regards,
> Rapha
> Am Samstag, den 11.06.2016, 15:50 -0400 schrieb Mehul Sanghvi:
> > I was able to get further but ran into an issue during the make-germ
> > phase.  It failed during an assertion.  I've attached the output I was
> > able to capture.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > 
> >        mehul
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Mehul Sanghvi
> > <address@hidden> wrote:
> >         Paolo,
> >         
> >         
> >              Thanks for the pointer.  I'll replace it and go ahead and
> >         see what I get out of it.
> >         
> >         
> >               I agree in cleaning things up and getting rid of support
> >         for systems that are not so widely used now.
> >               Some of the compilers I haven't even seen being used in
> >         the field in over a decade at the least, if not more.
> >         
> >         
> >         cheers,
> >         
> >         
> >               mehul
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >         On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Paolo Redaelli
> >         <address@hidden> wrote:
> >                 Se is just a little front end to the other tools. 
> >                 
> >                 You can safely replace "Se c2c" with the compile_to_c
> >                 you have made. 
> >                 
> >                 Btw I was chatting tonight with Hans... We must clean
> >                 up this thing, removing support for things like Dos or
> >                 Amiga os and adding more recent compilers. 
> >                 
> >                 Il 11 giugno 2016 05:36:34 CEST, Mehul Sanghvi
> >                 <address@hidden> ha scritto:
> >                         
> >                         I am trying to pick up on the work that I
> >                         started for this.
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         I believe I have completed Phase 1 from
> >                         Cyrils' email below.  I have done the
> >                         following:
> >                         
> >                         
> >                            cd resources/smarteiffel_germ
> >                            rm *.o
> >                            gcc *.c -o c2c-germ
> >                         
> >                         
> >                            cd ..
> >                            mkdir c2c-clang
> >                            cd c2c-clang
> >                            ../smarteiffel_germ/c2c-germ -cc gcc
> >                         compile_to_c
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         Now in trying to do Phase 2, step 2:
> >                         
> >                         
> >                                go to resources/smarteiffel_germ, and
> >                         build a new germ using the make_germ.sh script
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         there is one slight problem.   I do not have a
> >                         "se"  yet, so the make_germ.sh will not work
> >                         for me since it uses "se" 
> >                         to generate the new germ.  Any thoughts or
> >                         suggestions on getting around this ? 
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         cheers,
> >                         
> >                         
> >                              mehul
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 4:15 AM, Cyril ADRIAN
> >                         <address@hidden> wrote:
> >                                 Hi,
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 Adding a new C compiler support is
> >                                 quite complex, because Liberty cannot
> >                                 use clang as long as it does not know
> >                                 it, and you cannot compile Liberty
> >                                 until it knows clang. Classical
> >                                 chicken-and-egg problem :-)
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 You must break the circle. Do it in
> >                                 two phases:
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 Phase 1 – bootstrap
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 In this phase, you have to manually
> >                                 build the compiler to make it aware of
> >                                 clang.
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 1- add clang support in SYSTEM_TOOLS—
> >                                 no need to change the configuration
> >                                 files just yet
> >                                 
> >                                 2- generate the C files of
> >                                 compile_to_c, using compile_to_c;
> >                                 compile those files using your C
> >                                 compiler
> >                                 se c2c compile_to_c
> >                                 
> >                                 cc *.c -o bin/compile_to_c
> >                                 
> >                                 3- generate the C files of compile,
> >                                 using compile_to_c; compile those
> >                                 files using your C compiler
> >                                 se c2c compile
> >                                 
> >                                 cc *.c -o bin/compile
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 (I don't know clang; you may have to
> >                                 adapt the command lines)
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 Phase 2 – germ & install
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 In this phase, you build a "germ"
> >                                 which is the C files of compile_to_c;
> >                                 that germ is used to bootstrap the
> >                                 installation process.
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 Then you launch the installer, which
> >                                 starts by performing a "T3" which is a
> >                                 standard procedure for compiler
> >                                 bootstrap, to ensure that the compiler
> >                                 compilation is stable: after at most 3
> >                                 iterations the executable generation
> >                                 must reach a fixed point.
> >                                 See:
> >                                 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_%28compilers%29#The_chicken_and_egg_problem
> >  – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tombstone_diagram
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 1- fix the configuration files to add
> >                                 the Darwin / clang support
> >                                 
> >                                 2- go to resources/smarteiffel_germ,
> >                                 and build a new germ using the
> >                                 make_germ.sh script
> >                                 
> >                                 3- launch the installer
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 When all of this works, you can commit
> >                                 your changes, esp. the germ.
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 Hope it helps :-)
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 Cheers
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 2016-03-25 1:05 GMT+01:00 Mehul
> >                                 Sanghvi <address@hidden>:
> >                                         Latest diffs and install log
> >                                         attached.  I run into the
> >                                         following issue:
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         ~~~~ germ: strip a.out ~~~~
> >                                         Thu Mar 24 19:45:45 EDT 2016 -
> >                                         strip a.out
> >                                         ~~~~ T1: compile_to_c ~~~~
> >                                         Thu Mar 24 19:45:47 EDT 2016
> >                                         - ./compile_to_c -verbose
> >                                         -boost -no_gc compile_to_c -o
> >                                         compile_to_c.new
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         Liberty Eiffel The GNU Eiffel
> >                                         Compiler, Eiffel tools and
> >                                         libraries
> >                                             release 2016.dev
> >                                         (Alexander Graham Bell)
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         Copyright (C), 2011-2015 -
> >                                         C.ADRIAN, P.REDAELLI, R.MACK
> >                                         
> >                                         http://www.liberty-eiffel.org
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         Original SmartEiffel code:
> >                                         Copyright (C), 1994-2002 -
> >                                         INRIA - LORIA - ESIAL UHP
> >                                         Nancy 1 - FRANCE
> >                                         Copyright (C), 2003-2005 -
> >                                         INRIA - LORIA - IUT
> >                                         Charlemagne Nancy 2 - FRANCE
> >                                         D.COLNET, P.RIBET, C.ADRIAN,
> >                                         V.CROIZIER, F.MERIZEN
> >                                         
> >                                         http://smarteiffel.loria.fr
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         Configuration chain (the lower
> >                                         the more specific):
> >                                         
> >                                         * 
> > /Users/msanghvi/.config/liberty-eiffel
> >                                         
> >                                         > 
> > /Users/msanghvi/.config/liberty-eiffel/liberty.se
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         System is "UNIX", flavor
> >                                         "Darwin".
> >                                         C mode "boost" (default mode)
> >                                         selected.
> >                                         Unknown compiler type "clang"
> >                                         Currently handled compiler
> >                                         names:
> >                                         gcc
> >                                         g++
> >                                         lcc-win32
> >                                         cc
> >                                         wcl386
> >                                         bcc32
> >                                         cl
> >                                         sc
> >                                         dice
> >                                         vbcc
> >                                         ccc
> >                                         vpcc
> >                                         OpenVMS_CC
> >                                         tcc
> >                                         distcc
> >                                         ./compile_to_c failed with
> >                                         status 1
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         I did modify
> >                                         kernel/system_tools.e file to
> >                                         include clang, but still got
> >                                         the error.  Feel free to let
> >                                         me know what I missed and
> >                                         where I went wrong.  
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         cheers,
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                                mehul
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:01
> >                                         PM, Mehul Sanghvi
> >                                         <address@hidden>
> >                                         wrote:
> >                                                 I took a look and it
> >                                                 seems /usr/bin/gcc, 
> > /usr/bin/g++, and /usr/bin/clang are all the same size, but gcc and g++ are 
> > not links to it.  They might be hard links, though the md5 and shasum for 
> > all three are different.
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 /usr/bin/cc /usr/bin/c
> >                                                 ++ /usr/bin/CC are
> >                                                 symbolic links
> >                                                 to /usr/bin/clang.
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 It is possible to have
> >                                                 GCC or CLANG on a
> >                                                 Linux system, though
> >                                                 we can keep it simple
> >                                                 enough for now, and
> >                                                 say that on Linux we
> >                                                 use GCC and on Darwin
> >                                                 we use CLANG. 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 I'll make the
> >                                                 adjustments to the
> >                                                 other places I missed
> >                                                 and resend the logs,
> >                                                 along with newer
> >                                                 diffs.
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 On Thu, Mar 24, 2016
> >                                                 at 4:47 PM, Raphael
> >                                                 Mack
> >                                                 <address@hidden> wrote:
> >                                                         Hi,
> >                                                         
> >                                                         In the logs I
> >                                                         see:
> >                                                         
> >                                                         310: Thu Mar
> >                                                         24 07:07:45
> >                                                         EDT 2016
> >                                                         - ./compile_to_c 
> > -verbose -boost
> >                                                         -no_gc
> >                                                         compile_to_c
> >                                                         -o
> >                                                         compile_to_c.new
> >                                                         
> >                                                         This is
> >                                                         calling the
> >                                                         germ-compiler
> >                                                         to compile the
> >                                                         compiler from
> >                                                         Eiffel
> >                                                         code.
> >                                                         Afterwards you
> >                                                         see (after
> >                                                         many verbose
> >                                                         Eiffel
> >                                                         compiler
> >                                                         output
> >                                                         lines):
> >                                                         
> >                                                         4878: clang:
> >                                                         warning:
> >                                                         argument
> >                                                         unused during
> >                                                         compilation:
> >                                                         '-fno-gcse'
> >                                                         
> >                                                         5000: Thu Mar
> >                                                         24 07:08:57
> >                                                         EDT 2016 - gcc
> >                                                         -Xlinker
> >                                                         -no-as-needed
> >                                                         -o
> >                                                         compile_to_c.new 
> > compile_to_c1.o  [...] compile_to_c135.o -x none
> >                                                         5001: ld:
> >                                                         unknown
> >                                                         option:
> >                                                         -no-as-needed
> >                                                         5002: clang:
> >                                                         error: linker
> >                                                         command failed
> >                                                         with exit code
> >                                                         1 (use -v to
> >                                                         see
> >                                                         invocation)
> >                                                         
> >                                                         Which both
> >                                                         reminds of the
> >                                                         change you
> >                                                         made in
> >                                                         
> > smarteiffel-germ/compile_to_c.make...
> >                                                         install.sh
> >                                                         generates a
> >                                                         liberty-eiffel
> >                                                         config file
> >                                                         liberty.se
> >                                                         from which
> >                                                         the compiler
> >                                                         options are
> >                                                         read, so you
> >                                                         should change
> >                                                         these
> >                                                         accordingly,
> >                                                         and it could
> >                                                         work.
> >                                                         
> >                                                         Also it seems,
> >                                                         that your
> >                                                         system doesn't
> >                                                         use GCC, but
> >                                                         CLANG (and gcc
> >                                                         is a
> >                                                         link to clang,
> >                                                         right) and the
> >                                                         changes seem
> >                                                         to be directly
> >                                                         related to
> >                                                         this
> >                                                         difference and
> >                                                         I suggest to
> >                                                         make the
> >                                                         changes such
> >                                                         that the
> >                                                         options
> >                                                         are omitted
> >                                                         only for clang
> >                                                         - and then
> >                                                         also clang
> >                                                         binary can be
> >                                                         used.
> >                                                         Maybe we can
> >                                                         add a variable
> >                                                         in the
> >                                                         "compile_to_c.make" 
> > (and all the
> >                                                         generated .make 
> > command files) and install.sh to be set to "gcc -pipe
> >                                                         -O2 -fno-gcse
> >                                                         -c -x c" in
> >                                                         case of gcc
> >                                                         and "clang
> >                                                         -pipe -O2 -c
> >                                                         -x c " for
> >                                                         clang, and use
> >                                                         the same
> >                                                         command for
> >                                                         
> > liberty.se-generation in install.sh
> >                                                         
> >                                                         (similar for
> >                                                         the linker and
> >                                                         the options)
> >                                                         
> >                                                         Regards,
> >                                                         Rapha
> >                                                         
> >                                                         Am Donnerstag,
> >                                                         den
> >                                                         24.03.2016,
> >                                                         10:23 -0400
> >                                                         schrieb Mehul
> >                                                         Sanghvi:
> >                                                         > Re-sending
> >                                                         the log file
> >                                                         and diff, this
> >                                                         time
> >                                                         compressed :)
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         > cheers,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >       mehul
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         > On Thu, Mar
> >                                                         24, 2016 at
> >                                                         9:51 AM, Mehul
> >                                                         Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         <address@hidden> 
> > wrote:
> >                                                         >         I
> >                                                         knew I was
> >                                                         forgetting
> >                                                         something :)
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >         I
> >                                                         had looked at
> >                                                         the log file,
> >                                                         but had not
> >                                                         seen anything
> >                                                         that
> >                                                         >         made
> >                                                         sense to me.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >         I've
> >                                                         attached a
> >                                                         diff of the
> >                                                         changes I've
> >                                                         made and the
> >                                                         install
> >                                                         >         log
> >                                                         file.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                          cheers,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                            mehul
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >         On
> >                                                         Thu, Mar 24,
> >                                                         2016 at 2:54
> >                                                         AM, Cyril
> >                                                         ADRIAN
> >                                                         >
> >                                                          <address@hidden> 
> > wrote:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                              The
> >                                                         installer
> >                                                         gives you a
> >                                                         hint:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                              Please
> >                                                         look
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          at 
> > /usr/local/src/liberty-eiffel/target/log/install-20160310-003957.log
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                              Do that,
> >                                                         or share the
> >                                                         file so
> >                                                         someone can
> >                                                         have a look.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                              Cheers,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          2016-03-24
> >                                                         2:10 GMT+01:00
> >                                                         Mehul Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          <address@hidden>:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          The problem
> >                                                         seems to be
> >                                                         here:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            progress 30
> >                                                         1
> >                                                         $MAXTOOLCOUNT
> >                                                         "T1:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          compile_to_c"
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          run ./compile_to_c 
> > -verbose -boost -no_gc
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          compile_to_c
> >                                                         -o
> >                                                         compile_to_c.new || 
> > exit 1
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          compile_to_c.new 
> > is not created it seems and
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          the return
> >                                                         code is 0 so
> >                                                         it does not
> >                                                         exit.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          This is using
> >                                                         the native OS
> >                                                         X compiler
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          in /usr/bin/gcc.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                                      I
> >                                                         am going to
> >                                                         see if I can
> >                                                         get a
> >                                                         different set
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          of results
> >                                                         using gcc-5
> >                                                         from macports.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          On Wed, Mar
> >                                                         23, 2016 at
> >                                                         8:16 PM, Mehul
> >                                                         Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          <address@hidden> 
> > wrote:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                I had
> >                                                         time to work
> >                                                         on this today
> >                                                         and
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                was at
> >                                                         the point
> >                                                         where I am at
> >                                                         the
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          following
> >                                                         stage:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          % ./install.sh
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Checking BDW
> >                                                         GC
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                BDW too
> >                                                         old or missing
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Checking
> >                                                         required
> >                                                         programs.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         All
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          programs
> >                                                         present,
> >                                                         proceeding.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Preparing 
> > /usr/local/src/liberty-eiffel/target
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Preparing
> >                                                         Liberty
> >                                                         environment
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Bootstrapping
> >                                                         SmartEiffel
> >                                                         tools
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                gcc
> >                                                         failed with
> >                                                         status 1
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                Please
> >                                                         look
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          at 
> > /usr/local/src/liberty-eiffel/target/log/install-20160310-003957.log
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                cp:
> >                                                         compile_to_c.new: 
> > No such file or
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          directory
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                gcc
> >                                                         failed with
> >                                                         status 1
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                Please
> >                                                         look
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          at 
> > /usr/local/src/liberty-eiffel/target/log/install-20160310-003957.log
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                cp:
> >                                                         compile_to_c.new: 
> > No such file or
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          directory
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         T3:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                check
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         failed with
> >                                                         status The
> >                                                         compiler is
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                not
> >                                                         stable.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                Please
> >                                                         look
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          at 
> > /usr/local/src/liberty-eiffel/target/log/install-20160310-003957.log
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                For now
> >                                                         I am more
> >                                                         interested in
> >                                                         the
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                "cp"
> >                                                         failures
> >                                                         rather than
> >                                                         the "gcc"
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          failures.  I
> >                                                         can work on
> >                                                         those later,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                once I
> >                                                         know that the
> >                                                         install.sh
> >                                                         script
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                is
> >                                                         working
> >                                                         correctly.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                What I
> >                                                         want to do is
> >                                                         run the script
> >                                                         in
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          debugging
> >                                                         mode but that
> >                                                         just messes up
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                the
> >                                                         output on the
> >                                                         screen.  Is
> >                                                         there a
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                way to
> >                                                         do that and
> >                                                         not get the
> >                                                         script
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                output
> >                                                         messed up ?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                Or
> >                                                         should that be
> >                                                         an enhancement
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                request
> >                                                         for the
> >                                                         install script
> >                                                         to
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                support
> >                                                         a debugging
> >                                                         mode?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                cheers,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         mehul
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                On Fri,
> >                                                         Feb 19, 2016
> >                                                         at 10:45 AM,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                Paolo
> >                                                         Redaelli
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          <address@hidden> 
> > wrote:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          According to
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          
> > https://www.leaseweb.com/labs/2015/08/run-osx-vm-virtualbox/
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          it seems that
> >                                                         it is actually
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          possible to
> >                                                         buy a license
> >                                                         of
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          MacOSX 10.6
> >                                                         for ~20$ and
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          install it
> >                                                         into a VM!
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Also
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          
> > http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/309654-run-vanilla-os-x-el-capitan-yosemite-or-mavericks-in-virtualbox-5010-on-a-windows-host/
> >  states that more recent releases are installable but it's more tricky.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          I'm mostly
> >                                                         tempted spend
> >                                                         a
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          little money
> >                                                         and time to
> >                                                         deal
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          with the dark
> >                                                         side to let
> >                                                         all
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          those
> >                                                         misguided
> >                                                         padawans to
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          discover the
> >                                                         joys of
> >                                                         Liberty,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Liberty
> >                                                         Eiffel!
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          There's only
> >                                                         one issue that
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          shall be made
> >                                                         clear: how
> >                                                         long
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          will Snow
> >                                                         Leopard aka
> >                                                         10.6 be
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          able to
> >                                                         compile
> >                                                         programs for
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          more recent
> >                                                         releases?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          I shall ask
> >                                                         some friend of
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          mine
> >                                                         meanwhile
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          2016-02-19
> >                                                         16:23 GMT
> >                                                         +01:00
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Mehul Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          <address@hidden>:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Sounds good.
> >                                                         I'll see
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                  what
> >                                                         I can do to
> >                                                         get
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          install.sh
> >                                                         updated for
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                  that
> >                                                         time frame.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                  On
> >                                                         Fri, Feb 19,
> >                                                         2016
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                  at
> >                                                         2:18 AM, Paolo
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Redaelli
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          <address@hidden> 
> > wrote:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            We hadn't
> >                                                         any
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            formal
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            schedule.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            With the
> >                                                         new
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            year we
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            planned to
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            release in
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            February.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            Now I think
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            that middle
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            March is
> >                                                         more
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            realistic
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            Il 19
> >                                                         febbraio
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            2016
> >                                                         05:07:29
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            CET, Mehul
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          <address@hidden> 
> > ha scritto:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          When
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                    is
> >                                                         the
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          "bell"
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          release due ?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                    On
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Thu,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                    Feb
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                    18,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          2016
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                    at
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          2:21
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                    PM,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Raphael Mack
> >                                                         <address@hidden> 
> > wrote:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              Hi Mehul,
> >                                                         hi others,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              I think
> >                                                         it is great to
> >                                                         have this
> >                                                         fixed, I
> >                                                         directly
> >                                                         assigned it to
> >                                                         the
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              upcoming
> >                                                         bell release.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              The main
> >                                                         "problem" is,
> >                                                         that most of
> >                                                         us are working
> >                                                         on linux and
> >                                                         we don't
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              have much
> >                                                         experience
> >                                                         with
> >                                                         compatibility
> >                                                         issues.
> >                                                         Anyhow, I'd
> >                                                         suggest to
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              fix the
> >                                                         problems when
> >                                                         they occur for
> >                                                         the platforms
> >                                                         that are
> >                                                         really used
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              without
> >                                                         much
> >                                                         formalism.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              The patch
> >                                                         was not
> >                                                         applied so
> >                                                         far, because I
> >                                                         somehow would
> >                                                         like to keep
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              at least
> >                                                         the "-p"
> >                                                         option. So
> >                                                         what do you
> >                                                         think for the
> >                                                         other
> >                                                         platforms?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              Whould
> >                                                         "-dpR" instead
> >                                                         of "-a" work?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              So yes,
> >                                                         please check
> >                                                         what happens
> >                                                         on your
> >                                                         platform and
> >                                                         how we can fix
> >                                                         it
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              and we
> >                                                         will include
> >                                                         it!
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              Regards
> >                                                         and thanks in
> >                                                         advance,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              Rapha
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              Am
> >                                                         Donnerstag,
> >                                                         den
> >                                                         18.02.2016,
> >                                                         11:36 -0500
> >                                                         schrieb Mehul
> >                                                         Sanghvi:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > I only
> >                                                         have an iMac
> >                                                         and an old
> >                                                         PowerMac G4
> >                                                         running
> >                                                         Debian.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > I can
> >                                                         take a look at
> >                                                         running a
> >                                                         FreeBSD VM on
> >                                                         my iMac and I
> >                                                         can target
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > that.
> >                                                         I think for
> >                                                         the most part
> >                                                         *BSD systems
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > will
> >                                                         work if I
> >                                                         target OS X,
> >                                                         but why take
> >                                                         that route
> >                                                         when a VM may
> >                                                         be
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         available :)
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > I would
> >                                                         like to target
> >                                                         OS X first,
> >                                                         only if it
> >                                                         helps me get
> >                                                         Eiffel up
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > and
> >                                                         running on my
> >                                                         system to play
> >                                                         around with.
> >                                                         This way I can
> >                                                         work on
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > making
> >                                                         it a package
> >                                                         for Macports
> >                                                         as well.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         Thoughts
> >                                                         and/or
> >                                                         suggestions ?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > cheers,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         mehul
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              > On Thu,
> >                                                         Feb 18, 2016
> >                                                         at 10:21 AM,
> >                                                         Paolo Redaelli
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         <address@hidden> 
> > wrote:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          I don't own
> >                                                         Apple hardware
> >                                                         to test.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          Yet I know
> >                                                         that Mac OS X
> >                                                         is quite
> >                                                         similar to a
> >                                                         BSD system
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          under the
> >                                                         hood, so I
> >                                                         guess that if
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          we compile
> >                                                         Liberty for
> >                                                         some BSD it
> >                                                         could also
> >                                                         compile on
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          MacOsX
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          According to
> >                                                         
> > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Myths and
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          
> > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3446231/how-close-are-mac-os-x-and-bsd-related
> >  it seems that FreeBSD is the BSD variant most similar to MacOSX
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          Does anyone
> >                                                         have any clue
> >                                                         about it?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          In that case
> >                                                         we could
> >                                                         target
> >                                                         FreeBSD .
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
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> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                          2016-02-18
> >                                                         15:08 GMT
> >                                                         +01:00
> >                                                         <address@hidden>:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                                  I am
> >                                                         the one who
> >                                                         reported the
> >                                                         bug #44601.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                                  I
> >                                                         have no
> >                                                         objection. It
> >                                                         would be
> >                                                         wonderful if
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          install.sh
> >                                                         run on any
> >                                                         Unix-like
> >                                                         system.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          KOIZUMI
> >                                                         Satoru
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                                  On 平
> >                                                         成 28/02/17,
> >                                                         at 10:27,
> >                                                         Mehul Sanghvi
> >                                                         wrote:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            I updated
> >                                                         44601.
> >                                                         Although it
> >                                                         doesn't
> >                                                         directly
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            relate, it
> >                                                         is along the
> >                                                         same lines,
> >                                                         basically
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            there are
> >                                                         problems with
> >                                                         getting
> >                                                         install.sh to
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            work on
> >                                                         MacOS X
> >                                                         because
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            of
> >                                                         assumptions
> >                                                         about the
> >                                                         script running
> >                                                         with a
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            GNU set of
> >                                                         tools, rather
> >                                                         than a general
> >                                                         Unix
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            set of
> >                                                         tools.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            I see that
> >                                                         44601 hasn't
> >                                                         had an update
> >                                                         in a
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            while.
> >                                                         Since I'm
> >                                                         going to need
> >                                                         to get
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            past this
> >                                                         issue, and
> >                                                         will have to
> >                                                         work on
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            install.sh
> >                                                         to do so, does
> >                                                         anyone have
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            objections
> >                                                         to assigning
> >                                                         this bug to
> >                                                         me ?
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         Might as well
> >                                                         put my
> >                                                         release/build
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            engineering
> >                                                         acumen to good
> >                                                         use :)
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         
> >                                                            cheers,
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         mehul
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                              >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                    --
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Mehul
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                    N.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          email:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          address@hidden
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            -- Inviato
> >                                                         dal
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            mio
> >                                                         cellulare
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            Android con
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                            K-9 Mail.
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                  --
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                                  Mehul
> >                                                         N. Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          email:
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                          address@hidden
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                --
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                Mehul
> >                                                         N. Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                                email:
> >                                                         address@hidden
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          --
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          Mehul N.
> >                                                         Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         
> >                                                          email:
> >                                                         address@hidden
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                              --
> >                                                         >
> >                                                              Cyril
> >                                                         ADRIAN
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >         --
> >                                                         >
> >                                                          Mehul N.
> >                                                         Sanghvi
> >                                                         >
> >                                                          email:
> >                                                         address@hidden
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         >
> >                                                         > --
> >                                                         > Mehul N.
> >                                                         Sanghvi
> >                                                         > email:
> >                                                         address@hidden
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                         
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 
> >                                                 -- 
> >                                                 Mehul N. Sanghvi
> >                                                 email:
> >                                                 address@hidden
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         
> >                                         -- 
> >                                         Mehul N. Sanghvi
> >                                         email: address@hidden
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 
> >                                 -- 
> >                                 Cyril ADRIAN
> >                                 
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         
> >                         -- 
> >                         Mehul N. Sanghvi
> >                         email: address@hidden
> >                 
> >                 -- Inviato dal mio cellulare Android con K-9 Mail.
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >         -- 
> >         Mehul N. Sanghvi
> >         email: address@hidden
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Mehul N. Sanghvi
> > email: address@hidden
> 
> 
> 
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