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Re: Help-hurd Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5


From: dominik kupka
Subject: Re: Help-hurd Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:45:50 +0200

Maybe Java is not free today, but how does it look to do some reverse
engineering?
I mean sometimes we have to use close drivers, and Java is quite
popular language, so if someone force producer to give driver for Hurd
(or GNU/Linux) it's rather possible that this driver will be written
in Java. So maybe we should think if this can allow others to write
free drivers based on this non free? I don't know Java so I'm not sure
which drivers are easier to use in such situations but if Java is
easier to do some reverse engineering it might be a good "trap" for
manufacturers who don't want to share the code.

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>    4. Re: Java device drivers (Andrea Bolognani)
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> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:02:26 -0400
> From: faif@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Help-hurd Digest, Vol 57, Issue 4
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> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:04:37 -0400
> From: faif@gnu.org
> Subject: Java device drivers
> To: <help-hurd@gnu.org>
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> We should not also forget that Java is not yet full implemented as free 
> software (or am I missing something?)
> And we want to keep hurd 100 % free software, don't we?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:12:46 +0200
> From: "massimo s." <devicerandom@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Java device drivers
> To: help-hurd@gnu.org
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> faif@gnu.org ha scritto:
> > We should not also forget that Java is not yet full implemented as free 
> > software (or am I missing something?)
> > And we want to keep hurd 100 % free software, don't we?
>
> I wonder that having an interface for high-level languages like Java
> could also allow Python, Ruby, Perl etc. based drivers. Which would be
> really cool to have.
>
> m.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:52:38 +0200
> From: Andrea Bolognani <eof@kiyuko.org>
> Subject: Re: Java device drivers
> To: help-hurd@gnu.org
> Message-ID: <20070921005238.a595db10.eof@kiyuko.org>
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> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:12:46 +0200
> "massimo s." <devicerandom@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > faif@gnu.org ha scritto:
> > > We should not also forget that Java is not yet full implemented as free
> > > software (or am I missing something?) And we want to keep hurd 100 % free
> > > software, don't we?
> >
> > I wonder that having an interface for high-level languages like Java
> > could also allow Python, Ruby, Perl etc. based drivers. Which would be
> > really cool to have.
>
> We should base the user-space driver framework on GObject.
> That way, we will be able to create bindings to a lot of scripting languages,
> including all the one you mentioned.
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> But I wonder -- do we really want to write drivers in such languages?
> Drivers need to be fast, and all these languages are slower than C.
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> --
> KiyuKo <eof AT kiyuko DOT org>
> Resistance is futile, you will be garbage collected.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:15:32 -0400
> From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: RE: Java device drivers
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> Hello!
> Actually yes you are. I'm not sure about the release date, but those
> characters at SUN are indeed planning on releasing the JDK in an open source
> format. As for what license they are choosing there is talk of them choosing
> the same GPL version that nearly everything we use is covered under. It
> might be their current one that the open source form of Sun Solaris is
> covered under.
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> It keeps surfacing at every single Sun Solaris meeting I attend.
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> Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
> "The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
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> > From: help-hurd-bounces+hansolofalcon=att.net@gnu.org [mailto:help-hurd-
> > bounces+hansolofalcon=att.net@gnu.org] On Behalf Of faif@gnu.org
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:05 PM
> > To: help-hurd@gnu.org
> > Subject: Java device drivers
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> > We should not also forget that Java is not yet full implemented as free
> software (or am I
> > missing something?)
> > And we want to keep hurd 100 % free software, don't we?
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