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Re: logins;.bashrc;ls;settrans


From: Alfred M. Szmidt
Subject: Re: logins;.bashrc;ls;settrans
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:56:32 +0100

May one ask why it was nessacary to obfuscate this with base64 and tar
it up?  It makes it hard for anyone to actually even bother to read,
let alone answering.  Also, if you don't want an reply, don't send the
message.

    THE LOGINS:

    Comment: It seems as if the 'login > ql' make the shell read the
    .bashrc. Otherwise login > su does not do this immediately.The
    login > USER does not work for some reason.

This is really obvious, the login shell is a shell, it is not an login
program. Try running ls or any other such command, ql, login are alias
that run the program login.

    THE TRANSLATORS:

    Comment: What so ever I do:IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO START A PASSIVE
    TRANSLATOR IN MY PRIMARY HOME DIRECTORY AS USER OR EVEN AS ROOT!!This
    is difficult to under- stand.There might be an answer among the
    mainbrains.I have not the slightest idea why.ALSO NOTE THAT A FEATURE
    IN THIS RESPECT IS THAT THE MOUNT POINT FOR THE FILESYSTEM (in this
    instance 'dummy') CANNOT BE DETECTED BY THE COMMAND 'ls' IN ITS
    DIFFERENT FASHIONS WHEN THE TRANSLATOR IS TRIED STARTED.  HOWEVER
    'dummy' COMES BACK WITH 'settrans -g dummy' AND THEN 'ls -l'.

PLEASE DO NOT YELL IF YOU WANT AN POLITE REPLY!

If you read the --help output for settrans you will see that -g
(--goaway) removes the _active_ translator.  Try removing the passive
and active translators, and try again.


    LOGIN > SU USER, USER .BASHRC, AND PASSIVE TRANSLATOR START-UPS

    Comment: This means that on the command 'ls' even if repeated does
    not start the server process of the /hurd/ext2fs. Only when I use
    ls -l or similar.

Also obvious, translators start when they get stat()ed, ls does not do
an stat(), ls -l does.

   LOGIN > SU ROOT, ROOT .BASHRC, AND PASSIVE TRANSLATOR START-UPS

Same as above, please bother reading some documentation before trying
something out.

   TRIES ON THE COMMAND LS -R IN ROOT DIRECTORY

   Result:              hos./dev/shm: Permission denied

Obvious, you don't have permission to play with /dev/shm.

                ls floppy : no Permission
                :/hurd/ext2fs:dummy.fs: No such file or directory
                ls : ./home/dummy :Translator died

You are trying to start an translator that reads 'dummy.fs', use
absolute paths.


Please read the fine manual before asking questions next time, you can
find it at http://hurd.gnu.org.





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