Re: Reminder to remain civil

[quiliro]

On Mon, October 14, 2019 2:41 am, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>
> Quiliro Ordóñez <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> El 2019-10-13 15:07, Ricardo Wurmus escribió:
>>> Quiliro Ordóñez <address@hidden> writes:
>>>
>>>> So we are officially on a censored list […]
>>>
>>> This is not the place to argue about this.  help-guix is not for you to
>>> elaborate on what you consider censorship, it is a list for people to
>>> get help with Guix.
>>>
>>> Please respect this.
>>
>> Is this a threat to censor me too? please be frank.
>
> No, but I have put messages from you under moderation.  This means that
> they will not automatically be published to all subscribers of this list
> when they are not on topic.

This is a paradox. "No censorship" is contrary to "no automatic
publication". It is either free to reach the mailing list without control
(except by automatic machine spamming) or censored by the censors
(whatever they want to call themselves: protectors of the common good,
authorities, kings, presidents, prime ministers, bureaucrats, moderators,
teachers or parents). Avoiding to call it as it is, does not make it
better or worse. Censorship is just a [common] practice of a minority
(which sometimes controls the majority) against another minority.

> It is incredibly disrespectful to the dozens of people who are
> subscribed to this list for the purpose of helping others with Guix.
> Your abuse of this list and refusal to take whatever off-topic
> discussion you may want to pursue to a more appropriate place leaves me
> no choice but to enforce the rules that apply to posting here.

Ricardo, I disagree with you. I think that the utmost disrespect for
anyone isn't failing to follow imposed rules, but to control others' free
speech (among other rights). Everyone is free to ignore or argue against
someone else in an environment provided with free speech. But censorship
(either by rules or by personal judgement) eliminates this basic human
right. I hope you can notice this as I have. I used to think imposition
changed things for the better. But it does not on the long run. I hope you
let others have their own opinion on this topic also. Even if every person
except one on this list disagrees with me, that is a good reason to avoid
censorship. Even if no person agreed with me, it would be good that the
other people see the list archive to know about the position some Guix
people have about this subject.

Remember Voltaire about his defense of others' rights. With such respect
and greatest regards,

Quiliro