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Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs)
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David Reitter |
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Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) |
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Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:01:08 +0000 |
On 3 Jan 2006, at 15:34, David Kastrup wrote:
If the people understand about the "spirit of free software", they are
likely to understand the need for a copyright assignment or disclaimer
(for icons, I guess a disclaimer would be sufficient). It is a
written guarantee that the licensing conditions are stated accurately.
Most people publish their work under some Creative Commons license,
and as far as I know that's compatible.
Contributing to Emacs involves obtaining a contract from the FSF and
signing that (paper form) -- I understand that is what was necessary
when the new application icon was contributed. Taking code from 20 or
so authors and getting all of them to sign this is probably what's
needed when you do patch work. Ask the FSF if you're interested in
knowing more, I sure don't know much about this stuff (and I don't
want to deal with it either).
Therefore, if someone is
willing to do the work, I'd incorporate this in our distribution
now.
Willing to do _what_ work? Designing icons? Collecting them without
contacting the authors?
All. Somebody will need to find icons and check their copyright
status (as far as reasonably possible), design the ones that are
missing, keep a list of where everything came from, maybe notify but
at least acknowledge the authors.
It is a pity that you are not interested in the effort needed to
improve Emacs for everybody. You certainly have the right to do so,
and this right is a consequence of Emacs being free software, but it
does not help the cause.
Around 50 percent of my time on Aquamacs goes into troubleshooting
people's bug reports, checking whether they actually report potential
bugs in Emacs or a package and relaying the reports (in a form useful
to the recipients) to Emacs.
By the way, I would probably do more of that for AUCTeX (for the few
report's we're getting) if I could see that such reports were
followed up on in a friendly and professional manner (even if the
user or I make a mistake and report something that's not actually a
bug).
But you should be honest and clear enough when recruiting people to
_your_ project to mention that this is not intended to help Emacs.
And also you should refrain from calling Emacs or GNU "Open Source",
in particular on GNU lists, which is an expression intended to muddle
what free software is about: freedom.
Please, read the original post again and tell me where exactly I make
wrong claims, or what is unclear.
I clearly state what it's for, and I do not talk of the main GNU
Emacs as non-free or open source software.
Even if he did the stuff himself, he has no guarantee that you
would bother extricating it from your personal fork, making sure that
nothing infringing remains, and properly contribute it to Emacs.
Excuse me, but we supply source code and maintain an open-access CVS
repository. We document what's where, and other distributions such as
the Carbon Emacs Package take code from us every now and then (and
we're taking theirs). It's a public project, everyone can check out
the code and it's easy enough to extract things if you're willing to
do so.
You can hardly blame me for not willing to convince you personally
that a particular change is justified, given the tone of your e-mails.
- Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), David Reitter, 2006/01/03
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), David Kastrup, 2006/01/03
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), David Reitter, 2006/01/03
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), David Kastrup, 2006/01/03
- Message not available
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), Tim McNamara, 2006/01/03
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), Lennart Borgman, 2006/01/03
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), David Kastrup, 2006/01/03
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), david . reitter, 2006/01/04
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), David Kastrup, 2006/01/04
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), david . reitter, 2006/01/04
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), David Kastrup, 2006/01/04
- Message not available
- Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs), Tim McNamara, 2006/01/03