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Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK
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David Kastrup |
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Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK |
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Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:58:06 +0100 |
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Hendrik Sattler <sattler2000@gmx.de> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>
>> Hendrik Sattler <sattler2000@gmx.de> writes:
>>
>>> David Kastrup wrote:
>>>
>>>> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars
>>>> suck.
>>>>
>>>> To change the direction of moving, I have to move the
>>>> mouse. I can't control the size of the move except by dragging
>>>> (a recipe for RSI). When scrolling in one direction repeatedly,
>>>> the moment the scroll "thumbmark" gyrates under the mouse cursor,
>>>> it stops working.
>>>
>>> Mouse wheels are a great invention. Instead of mouse1/mouse2 to
>>> scroll, you use scroll_up/scroll_down, nothing is more intuitive
>>> than that. And at least with QT, you can use that on a horizontal
>>> scrollbar, too, if you place the mouse cursor over it. Some mice
>>> offer a real button instead of the wheel (I like this even
>>> better).
>>>
>>> And since this is about a text editor: PgUp/PgDown exist ;)
>>
>> All those are arguments for not using the scrollbar at all. While
>> you can turn it off with Emacs easily, it is somewhat pointless to
>> discuss what scrollbar type is the best when not used.
>
> I only see it as indication of where I am in the whole page. Your
> points (using mouse1/mouse2 to scroll down/up) do not really use the
> scroll bar, either.
Uh, pardon? First, it is mouse-1 and mouse-3. And secondly, I don't
know how clicking on the scrollbar to achieve a scrolling effect is
not really using it.
> To use the scroll _bar_ itself, you actually have to drag it.
It would appear that you are confusing the scrollbar tack/thumb with
the scrollbar itself. Athena-style scrollbars don't even _have_ a
tack.
> The only other good use would the it jumps to point where you click
> (but did not find one that does this, yet).
That is the mouse-2 action of Athena-style scrollbars (and the
no-toolkit scrollbars of Emacs _are_ Athena-style).
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
- Compiling Emacs with GTK, August, 2005/02/23
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- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, Lee Sau Dan, 2005/02/24
- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, Hendrik Sattler, 2005/02/24
- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, Stefan Monnier, 2005/02/25
- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, David Kastrup, 2005/02/25
- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, August, 2005/02/25
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- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, David Kastrup, 2005/02/25
- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, August, 2005/02/25
- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, nfreimann, 2005/02/25
- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, August, 2005/02/25
- Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK, Eli Zaretskii, 2005/02/26