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Re: (Really) Free Software future
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Stefan Huchler |
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Re: (Really) Free Software future |
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Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:49:27 +0200 |
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Hi,
isn't that what basically every Developer does? If I write a program and
it's elisp there is only as far as I know one interpreter and all libs I
use are also not replacable without rewriting code.
So is all my programmes I ever wrote also not Free software because it's
not based on some very primitive Kernel Systemcalls (that have to be
then not even linux specific right? Then 99% of GPL software out there
would not really be free software.
So that A only runs with B seems no good Definition you would have to
provide some other definition that makes Gnome here a special case.
I assume you would bring up that a DE is some sort of base level
software that is no application layer software in itself but part of a
Operation System, like the UI in Windows is also considered part of the
OS?
I could see that argument if Gnome would be the only grafical
environment for Linux in existence, and even then I wonder what's the
problem with rewriting it to run without systemd?
It's like saying a software that has not my wished Feature A / B / C is
not free software. But we don't meassure freedom in how much and which
features a software has.
Sorry to interject that discussion but maybe that is helpful?
<address@hidden> writes:
> But that is achieved with forks of systemd tools and messing with the source
> code.
> How does that make GNOME independent from Systemd?
>
> Fannys
>
> Oct 14, 2019, 20:59 by address@hidden:
>
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> (skipped)
>
> > For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary,
> > using the common meaning of the term. Also, "lock-in" usually refers
> > to software that prevents users from switching to an alternative; GNOME
> > and systemd are certainly not lock-in.
>
> I'm afraid but I cannot agree with that. Actually with systemd design
> you have 'lock-in', because in some cases you need to modify a source
> code to support systemd (or you will face something like this -
>
> https://superuser.com/questions/1372963/how-do-i-keep-systemd-from-killing-my-tmux-sessions).
> Also, a lot of system daemons has eaten by systemd (and to make it works
> some forks were created like eudev).
> Finally, correct me if I wrong, but GNOME 3.8 and newer requires systemd
> to run, it's a lock-in isn't it ?
>
> I'm assuming by GNOME you mean gnome-shell. Please let me know if I'm
> incorrect.
>
> Guix has packaged gnome-shell 3.30.2 but has not packaged systemd.
> If systemd was a requirement for gnome-shell guix would have had to package
> systemd in order for gnome-shell to compile and/or work, by definition of
> requirement.
> gnome-shell builds and works just fine in guix.
> It follows that systemd is not a prerequisite for gnome-shell 3.30.2.
>
> Please consider this a friendly correction :)
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- (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, ..., Svante Signell, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, ..., Jesse Gibbons, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, ..., Paul Smith, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Svante Signell, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Jesse Gibbons, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Paul Smith, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alexander Vdolainen, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Jesse Gibbons, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alexander Vdolainen, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, marinus.savoritias, 2019/10/14
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- Re: (Really) Free Software future in the light of systemd, Dmitry Alexandrov, 2019/10/19
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Paul Smith, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alexander Vdolainen, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, marinus.savoritias, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Richard Stallman, 2019/10/14
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Svante Signell, 2019/10/15
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, marinus.savoritias, 2019/10/15
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2019/10/15
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- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Richard Stallman, 2019/10/17