Re: GNA Shutting Down?

[Fred Kiefer]

> Am 03.02.2017 um 22:54 schrieb Gregory Casamento <address@hidden>:
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Fred Kiefer <address@hidden> wrote:
> Sorry, I must have missed something. Why GitHub as the main repository? We 
> had a very similar discussion before, but without the time pressure and 
> there, as far as I remember, we all agreed to move to git on Savannah, plus a 
> mirror on GitHub and some SVN access to that. As far as I understand git, it 
> isn’t that important which part gets called the main repository, so 
> technically this isn’t a big difference. But on the symbolic level I think it 
> is important to stay on the free infrastructure. And as an added benefit, 
> most of us already have a Savannah account either from the time when GNUstep 
> was still hosted there or from accessing the bug system. That way most of 
> GNUstep would be back on one system.
> 
> 
> ​I'm apprehensive about Savannah as it took them about 2-3 months to respond 
> and then comply with my request to add repos to git repo for GNUstep on their 
> system.  It makes me worry that adding any additional repos would incur a 
> similar wait (and waste) of our time.   On any other system adding a repo is 
> a click of a button.  On savannah I have to submit a request to their team, 
> then pester them for months until they actually get it done and pray they get 
> it right.

Now I remember this episode, sorry for not having it in mind. 


> I am okay with using savannah as a mirror, but at this point I have my doubts 
> about it being our MAIN repo as they are slow, overworked, and suffer from 
> many of the same issues as GNA does.​

Yes, Savannah seems to be slow. At least we already have a git repo for GNUstep 
there and this should be all we need for now from them. I understand we have a 
lot of additional options on GitHub, but as far as I understand it, we could 
still use these, even when we call the Savannah repo the main one.

> The way the transfer gets done is something different. If this is easier by 
> using a local gitlab instance, fine by me. (This is hopefully completely 
> unrelated to gitlab.com, which just had a huge meltdown: 
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/01/gitlab_data_loss/)
> 
> 
> ​No, not at the gitlab site.  I'm talking about using the gitlab community 
> version of their software.​
>  
> What I don’t understand is the haste that gets applied here.  According to 
> the initial GNA! message there should be about three more months for the move.
> 
> 
> Yes, I know..  ​What got me upset (and very panicked, frankly) is that I 
> cannot (and neither can a few others) access the repo.  I get an ssh issue.  
> Which probably just means their SSH daemon crashed.  Perhaps I should calm 
> down and see if it comes back up.   The repo going down, however, underscores 
> an important point.  We need to get off of their site ASAP and the sooner the 
> better.
> 
> I apologize for panicking.  I just was shocked by this.​

No reason to apologise. It was great to bring this issue to our attention. 
Something must be done and I agree we should rather act early than late. I 
would suggest you add the source to your local gitlib instance and from there 
to Savannah and GitHub and set up the automatic synchronisation mechanism. We 
call the Savannah instance the main one, but advice people to get data from 
GitHub. That way we get the best of both worlds and everybody should be happy.

Fred


> > 1) Make github our main repo.​
> > 2) Mirror to savannah and to a local gitlab instance (either on my machine 
> > here or on AWS)
> >
> > This way we have redundancy and people on github can better review and 
> > contribute (so long as they have a copyright assignment in place) to the 
> > project.
> >
> > Any objections?
> >
> > GC
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Gregory Casamento <address@hidden> wrote:
> > I just successfully rsynced everything to my local machine.  I will start 
> > tonight putting everything into git.   The question still is where do we 
> > go?  Do we make the mirror on github the official hosting for GNUstep?
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Ivan Vučica <address@hidden> wrote:
> > I sent Gregory the command to rsync a backup of the SVN repo.
> >
> > Maybe it's time to finally do a switch to Git?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 21:53 Ivan Vučica <address@hidden> wrote:
> > I can help migrating Monday if the SVN comes back up.
> >
> > Next 2d I am at FOSDEM.
> >
> >
> > On February 3, 2017 9:06:02 PM GMT+01:00, Gregory Casamento 
> > <address@hidden> wrote:
> > This is confirmed by news on their site...
> >
> > http://gna.org/
> >
> > Yeah, guys, we need to find new hosting.  I may create a mirror here on my 
> > local machine or finally get everything over to git on savannah, but we 
> > have to move off of GNA post haste.
> >
> > GC
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Gregory Casamento <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I just was made aware of this...  pardon me if I missed it because I have 
> > been kind of busy over the last couple of months with my day job.  Here is 
> > the email:
> >
> > https://mail.gna.org/public/project/2016-11/msg00001.html
> >
> > It seems, given this... if true, we have little choice but to find new 
> > hosting either on savannah or someplace else.
> >
> > ​Any thoughts?​
> >
> > Thanks, GC​
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> > Gregory Casamento
> > GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
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