Re: [gNewSense-users] Re: Rethinking Gobuntu

[Chris Andrew]

Hi, all.

0)  Can we define the goal of Gobuntu?

1)  Can we define the goal of gNS?

2)  Are these goals compatible?

3)  If so, is one project stronger than the other?

4)  If the goals of both are similar, can we concentrate on one, at
the (perceived) expense of the other?

5)  Are these Debian based distros based on Debian, or is Ubuntu
completely independent of Debian, but just uses the DEB package
system?

6)  If there is a firm relationship with Debian, would we be
better-off basing the future distro on the Debian release cycle?  Pro:
 Stability, Con (?): Long release schedule.

7)  Can we post these questions somewhere where people can add comments to them?

8)  Very importantly for me, what does Brian Brazil think of this, as
it was his great idea that got me caught-up in all this?

9)  Finally, this is meant to stimulate thought, not to antagonize.  I
shall get my flame retardant suit on, in preparation for the
(needless) criticism I will receive for my questions.

Thanks, all.

Chris (chris_debian).




On 15/04/2008, Luis Alberto Guzmán García <address@hidden> wrote:
> Wise words
>  I think is a good opportunity to achieve one goal, and improve others
>  from the start.
>  Helping each other is great idea.
>  Working on both Ubuntu and gNewSense, could be the beginning of a new
>  free software re-start.
>
>  There is a lot of people that would support that.
>  And i can say i'll be there :)
>
>  El mar, 15-04-2008 a las 18:57 +0100, Chris Andrew escribió:
>
> > Although I have had to hand-over the work I was doing co-ordinating
>  > Freedom Verification (chris_debian), I think that Mark is making a
>  > valid point.
>  >
>  > We always need help at gNS, and unlike commercial entities, there is
>
> > no reason why we have to compete.  Let's just all work together.
>
> >
>  > Would any of the Gobuntu guys like to help out at gNS?
>  >
>  > Many thanks,
>  >
>  > Chris.
>  >
>  > On 15/04/2008, Mark Shuttleworth <address@hidden> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  The "current and future" thread on this list has got me thinking. 
> Perhaps
>  > > we really are on the wrong track, that the only way to meet the needs of 
> the
>  > > gNewSense folks is to have completely different source packages to 
> Ubuntu.
>  > > If that is the case, then I think it would be better to channel the 
> energy
>  > > from Gobuntu into gNewSense.
>  > >
>  > >  I had hoped to see more participation and collaboration around Gobuntu
>  > > because of the benefits of keeping up with the standard Ubuntu (regular
>  > > releases, security updates etc). However, it seems that the audience for 
> a
>  > > platform like this is willing to accept infrequent releases and less
>  > > maintenance in return for a platform which can be modified more 
> radically.
>  > > That's OK, it's just a bit unexpected - I thought we could get the best 
> of
>  > > both worlds, with six-monthly releases of something that excluded *binary
>  > > package* that were controversial in the eyes of the FSF, but retained 
> access
>  > > to everything else in Ubuntu.
>  > >
>  > >  I don't mind having been wrong in that expectation, I can see the 
> arguments
>  > > in favour of less collaboration in the case where it is more important 
> to be
>  > > different than to have infrastructure in common, and from what I've seen 
> on
>  > > this list, the desire to be different (have different source packages as
>  > > well as binary packages) is stronger than the desire to collaborate 
> (share
>  > > infrastructure, release cycles etc).
>  > >
>  > >  I'm not sure that the current level of activity in Gobuntu warrants the
>  > > division of attention it creates, either for folks who are dedicated to
>  > > Ubuntu primarily, or to folks who are interested in gNewSense. I would 
> like
>  > > us to have a good relationship with the gNewSense folks, because I do 
> think
>  > > that their values and views are important and I would like Ubuntu to be a
>  > > useful starting point for them. But perhaps Gobuntu isn't the best way to
>  > > achieve that.
>  > >
>  > >  So, I would like to hear from the gNewSense guys how they would like to 
> be
>  > > involved in Ubuntu, to help ensure that Ubuntu is a useful starting point
>  > > for their important work. If Gobuntu is not the best way to achieve that,
>  > > then I think we should stop working on it and encourage folks who want 
> that
>  > > to focus their efforts on gNewSense, while at the same time figuring out 
> how
>  > > Ubuntu can be more useful for gNewSense.
>  > >
>  > >  Mark
>  > >
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>
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