Re: [gNewSense-users] Just some things I'd like to say....

[Kevin Dean]

Larry's responce was taken well, but it also indicated that my
"poodle" comment may have offended someone. I am in NO way commenting
on any specific person's skill in programming. My point was simply to
illustrate that being a programmer is not the only way to be a
developer.

-Kevin

On 10/17/07, Larry Cafiero <address@hidden> wrote:
> Kevin said:
>
> ". . . you've got people who have the programming skill of a poddle checking
> the copyrights,
> raising bugs and making gNewSense more freedom respecting."
>
> My programming skills have improved that much, eh Kevin . . .? :-)
>
> [Karl: I may fall into the category of the AWOL. Sorry, but I've been
> lurking on the list while I've been away -- family issues and school (a
> 50-year-old college freshman here, studying -- what else? -- computer
> science). I can say that a.) I have finally got gNewSense up and running on
> an old Intel box I saved from the dump (one of several);  b.) as soon as I
> get my new office sorted out, I will be able to contribute more, especially
> in the way of documentation; and c.) I can see how Shuttleworth's comments
> could have been taken as a verbose "shut up," however I think Justin is
> right -- I think Shuttleworth's intention was to say "everyone has ideas,
> but who's going to chop the wood and carry the water (so to speak)?"
> Obviously Mark S. could have done better in verbalizing this, and rather
> than focus on this, the group should be doing what Kevin correctly says it
> has been doing well all along -- having a team of committed individuals
> (this author excluded) with varying degrees of programming skills putting
> out and maintaining an excellent, totally "free-as-in-freedom" distro.
>
> Larry Cafiero
> < humor >Charter member
> gNewSense Poodle Programming Caucus (a.k.a., gNS PPC -- no, not that PPC)<
> /humor >
>
> (Note: The humor tag can be replaced with the humour tag for all English
> speakers outside the U.S.A.)
>
>
>
>
> On 10/17/07, Karl Goetz <address@hidden> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 11:08 -0400, Justin Baugh wrote:
> > > > Folks, this is a -devel list, primarily for discussion of work that
> people
> > > > are actually doing on Gobuntu. Most of the traffic so far as been
> "what we
> > > > want from Gobuntu" not "what we will put into Gobuntu". Please don't
> use
> > > > this list as a forum for demands about your ideal platform - use it to
> > > > discuss the work you are willing to put into bringing Gobuntu more
> into
> > > > line with that ideal.
> > > > Gobuntu exists as a forum for action - it will only be as good as the
> > > > effort that goes into it. Colin, Evan, Daniel Holbach and others will
> help
> > > > anyone who wants to put time and effort into Gobuntu achieve that
> goal.
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > EXCUSE ME?!
> > > >
> > > > Is he saying that, of all the feedback and ideas on how to make
> Gobuntu
> > > > more free he is acturaly telling us to basicaly shut up?!
> > >
> > > You missed his point entirely.
> > >
> > > What Shuttleworth is saying is that much like on this mailing list,
> there
> > > are lots of people occasionally clamoring for a feature or something
> they
> > > want - but want someone else to do it for them. Very rarely on this list
> > > (*please* correct me if I am wrong) do you see someone propose a feature
> > > that they actually implement themselves. PFV is the only exception of
> >
> > We have a few of people coming with a request, and then disapearing when
> > they get told whats involved (typically backport requests).
> >
> > > something that lots of people are helping with (btw Chris, as a
> sidenote,
> > > I disagree entirely that the bottleneck for having a updated gNS release
> > > is PFV. It would seem to be instead exclusively related to available
> > > developer time).
> >
> > As i understand it, its not a bottle neck in a serious way. its *awsome*
> > to have it done, but until we arnt working on our next release because
> > its not done its not a bottle neck. Since gNS's goal was to base off
> > ubuntu LTS releases, we arnt there yet :)
> >
> > >
> > > He's basically saying that people making endless requests is unhelpful.
> > > And you know what? He's right. It's far more helpful for someone to
> > > discuss what work they can actually do to achieve a goal rather than to
> > > just clamor for the goal over and over again. He's not telling people to
> > > shut up - rather, to put up. gNS should illustrate that making a totally
> > > free OS is not an easy task, and not to be taken lightly. Action is
> worth
> > > ten thousand words.
> >
> > At least gNS has a 'how to help' page, and definitions as to what should
> > be taken out (etc). gobuntu currently lacks these.
> >
> > >
> > > I don't think his response is so horrible, personally. I'm more than
> happy
> > > to entertain a discussion of why it is, however.
> > >
> > > -Justin
> >
> > --
> > Karl Goetz,
> > Debian user / Ubuntu contributer / gNewSense contributer
> > http://www.kgoetz.id.au
> >
> >
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