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From: Matt Kaufmann
Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] address@hidden: Re: gcl/acl2]
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:21:07 -0600 (CST)

Hi --

The ACL2 sources are at
ftp://ftp.cs.utexas.edu:/pub/moore/acl2/v2-6/acl2.tar.gz.  (Or, you can get
there by way of the ACL2 home page, at www.cs.utexas.edu/usres/moore/acl2/,
which points to www.cs.utexas.edu/usres/moore/acl2/v2-6/.)

One of us (J Moore) has recently built a more recent version of ACL2 on WIndows
2000 without incident, so perhaps the problem won't be easy to reproduce.

We expect to release a new version soon.  A pre-release is at
ftp://ftp.cs.utexas.edu:/pub/moore/acl2/v2-7/acl2.tar.gz (we hope this will
become the actual release in a few days), with home page at
www.cs.utexas.edu/usres/moore/acl2/v2-7/.

Thanks --
-- Matt
   Reply-To: "Mike Thomas" <address@hidden>
   From: "Mike Thomas" <address@hidden>
   Cc: <address@hidden>, <address@hidden>, <address@hidden>,
      "Billinghurst, David \(CRTS\)" <address@hidden>
   Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:29:32 +1000
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   Hi there.

   Sorry about the late reply.  Where do I find the source code for ACL2?

   I won't be able to look at this problem until next week unfortunately.

   Cheers

   Mike Thomas.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Camm Maguire" <address@hidden>
   To: "Matt Kaufmann" <address@hidden>
   Cc: <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>; "Mike
   Thomas" <address@hidden>; "Billinghurst, David (CRTS)"
   <address@hidden>
   Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:56 PM
   Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] address@hidden: Re: gcl/acl2]


   > Greetings, and thanks again for your report!  Our windows and Mingw
   > experts are Mike Thomas and David Billinghurst.  I'm cc'ing them, as I
   > unfortunately do not have access to such a box on which to diagnose
   > your failure.
   >
   > Would either of you have a chance to try to reproduce this, and figure
   > out what is going on?  If you can pinpoint in a gdb backtrace, that
   > would be helpful too.
   >
   > Take care,
   >
   > Matt Kaufmann <address@hidden> writes:
   >
   > > P.S. I've thought of something else possibly relevant since sending the
   email
   > > below.  When the second pass of initialization calls the function
   > > initialize-acl2, initialize-acl2 causes file TMP1.o (which was created
   during
   > > the first pass) to be loaded.  So perhaps initialize-acl2 needs a flag
   that
   > > avoids that load, the idea being that TMP1.o is included among the files
   in the
   > > first argument to compiler::link.  What do you think?
   > >
   > > On another topic, I tried to build ACL2 on GCL/Windows yesterday using
   the cvs
   > > GCL distribution at
   ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcl/cvs/gcl-cvs-20021014-mingw32.zip.
   > > It worked!  BUT -- during the first pass of initialization, GCL died
   while
   > > doing a FIXNUM gc, while compiling TMP1.lisp.  I was able to start up
   GCL again
   > > and (compile-file "TMP1.lisp"), which got me around the problem.  Below
   is an
   > > edited transcript.
   > >
   > >   C:\matt\acl2\v2-6>c:\gcl\gcl-cvs-20021014-mingw32\gclm\bin\my-gclm.bat
   > >   GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  Version(2.5.0) Mon Oct 14 10:50:03 EAST 2002
   > >   Licensed under GNU Library General Public License
   > >   Contains Enhancements by W. Schelter
   > >   Loading init.lsp
   > >   Loading acl2-init.lisp
   > >   Loading acl2.lisp
   > >   Loading acl2-fns.lisp
   > >   Finished loading acl2-fns.lisp
   > >   Compiling acl2-fns.lisp.
   > >   End of Pass 1.
   > >
   > >   ;; Note: Tail-recursive call of GET-TYPE-FROM-DCLS was replaced by
   iteration.
   > >   ;; Note: Tail-recursive call of COLLECT-TYPES was replaced by
   iteration.
   > >   ;; Note: Tail-recursive call of REV1@ was replaced by iteration.
   > >   ;; Note: Tail-recursive call of ACL2-READ-CHARACTER-STRING was
   replaced by iteration.
   > >   End of Pass 2.
   > >   OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=0 (No runtime error checking), Space=0,
   Speed=3
   > >   Finished compiling acl2-fns.lisp.
   > >   Loading acl2-fns.o
   > >   start address -T 10253000 Finished loading acl2-fns.o
   > >   Finished loading acl2.lisp
   > >   Finished loading acl2-init.lisp
   > >   Loading enable-eval.lisp
   > >   Disabling evaluation inside breaks.
   > >   Finished loading enable-eval.lisp
   > >   Finished loading init.lsp
   > >
   > >   >(in-package "ACL2")
   > >
   > >   #<"ACL2" package>
   > >
   > >   ACL2>(load-acl2)
   > >   [GC for 50 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=24).GC finished]
   > >
   > >   Loading axioms.o
   > >   [GC for 6 SFUN pages..(T=8).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 6 SFUN pages..(T=8).GC finished]
   > >   start address -T 1027e000 Finished loading axioms.o
   > >
   > > << ... output omitted ... >>
   > >
   > >   Loading defpkgs.lisp
   > >   [GC for 250 CONS pages..(T=16).GC finished]
   > >   Finished loading defpkgs.lisp
   > >   "ACL2"
   > >
   > >   ACL2>(initialize-acl2 (quote include-book) *acl2-pass-2-files* t t)
   > >
   > > << ... output omitted ... >>
   > >
   > >    RESIZE-LIST
   > >    :REDUNDANT
   > >
   > >   Finished loading
   > >   '((IN-PACKAGE "ACL2")
   > >     (DEFCONST *COMMON-LISP-SYMBOLS-FROM-MAIN-LISP-PACKAGE*
   > >       '(&ALLOW-OTHER-KEYS *PRINT-MISER-WIDTH*
   > >   &AUX *PRINT-PPRINT-DISPATCH*
   > >   &BODY *PRINT-PRETTY* &ENVIRONMENT ...))
   > >     (DEFCONST *ACL2-VERSION* "ACL2 Version 2.6")
   > >     (DEFCONST
   > >      *ACL2-FILES*
   > >      '("axioms" "basis" "translate" "type-set-a"
   > > "type-set-b" "rewrite" "simplify" ...)
   > >      "*acl2-files* is the list of all the files necessary to build
   > >   ACL2 from scratch.")
   > >     (DEFCONST *COMMON-LISP-SPECIALS-AND-CONSTANTS*
   > >       '(* ** *** *BREAK-ON-SIGNALS*
   > >   *COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME*
   > >   *COMPILE-FILE-TRUENAME*
   > >   *COMPILE-PRINT* ...))
   > >     (DEFLABEL PROGRAMMING)
   > >     (DEFLABEL MISCELLANEOUS)
   > >     ...).
   > >
   > >
   > >   ACL2 loading '((COMP-FN :EXEC STATE)).
   > >   [GC for 108 STRING pages..(T=2648).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 108 STRING pages..(T=644664).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 260 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=152).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 108 STRING pages..(T=1480).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 108 STRING pages..(T=1016).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 260 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=40).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 108 STRING pages..(T=1456).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 260 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=1712).GC finished]
   > >   Compiling C:/matt/acl2/v2-6/TMP1.lisp.
   > >   [GC for 260 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=1648).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 270 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=644496).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 280 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=646216).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 290 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=1398192).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 300 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=1760216).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 310 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=2340912).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 320 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=2442008).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 330 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=56).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 340 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=2568).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 350 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=536).GC finished]
   > >   End of Pass 1.
   > >   [GC for 360 RELOCATABLE-BLOCKS pages..(T=2416).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 28 FIXNUM pages..(T=-69632).GC finished]
   > >   [GC for 28 FIXNUM pages..[GC for 28 FIXNUM pages..[GC for 28 FIXNUM
   pages..
   > >
   > > and then 8103 more occurrences of "FIXNUM pages", all saying:
   > >
   > >   GC for 28 FIXNUM pages
   > >
   > > and finally ending by shooting me back to the shell:
   > >
   > >   [GC for 28 FIXNUM pages..[GC for 28 FIXNUM pages..
   > >   C:\matt\acl2\v2-6>
   > >
   > > Thanks --
   > > -- Matt
   > > ------- Start of forwarded message -------
   > > Date: 3 Nov 2002 10:34:53 -0600
   > > From: Matt Kaufmann <address@hidden>
   > > To: address@hidden
   > > CC: address@hidden, address@hidden, address@hidden
   > > In-reply-to: <address@hidden> (message from Camm
   Maguire
   > > on 02 Nov 2002 14:47:46 -0500)
   > > Subject: Re: gcl/acl2
   > >
   > > Hi --
   > >
   > > Thanks for the quick reply.  First, I'll address your question about
   arguments
   > > to compiler::link for ACL2.  Then I'll address the rest of your email.
   > > Finally, I'll make a comment about the upcoming ACL2 release.
   > >
   > > Below I'll answer your compiler::link question under the assumption that
   you
   > > can create an installation procedure that takes 3 steps, where an image
   is only
   > > saved in the third step.  Then I'll discuss that assumption.
   > >
   > > Just a bit of background first: Currently, if one wants to build ACL2
   without
   > > just executing "make", one goes through the following steps.  In each
   case
   > > below, loading init.lsp causes the loading and compiling of some other
   files.
   > >
   > > load init.lsp
   > >   load acl2r.lisp
   > >   load acl2-init.lisp
   > >     load acl2.lisp
   > >       load acl2-fns.lisp
   > >       compile-file acl2-fns.lisp
   > >       load acl2-fns.o
   > >   load "enable-eval.lisp
   > >
   > > Here, then, are the three steps currently taken, where gcl is started
   fresh for
   > > each step.  These are adapted from "Building an Executable Image on a
   Non-Unix
   > > System" in installation.html.  I have commented out (load "init.lsp")
   because
   > > that is done by GCL automatically.
   > >
   > > COMPILATION:
   > >
   > >   ;; (load "init.lsp") ; done automatically
   > >   (in-package "ACL2")
   > >   ;; Compile source files, in the order shown in
   > >   ;; (acl2::defconst acl2::*acl2-files* ...), from axioms.lisp, other
   than
   > >   ;; defpkgs.lisp and proof-checker-pkg.lisp:
   > >   (compile-acl2)
   > >
   > > INITIALIZATION, FIRST PASS.  Basically, we load in the compiled files
   produced
   > > above, in the same order, and then we run a function that does quite a
   lot of
   > > work, especially taking the ACL2 source files as input, to define some
   > > additional functions and extend property lists.
   > >
   > >   ;; (load "init.lsp") ; done automatically
   > >   (in-package "ACL2")
   > >   ;; Load compiled source files, in the order shown in
   > >   ;; (acl2::defconst acl2::*acl2-files* ...), from axioms.lisp:
   > >   (load-acl2)
   > >   ;; ACL2 now processes its own source files.
   > >   (initialize-acl2 (quote include-book) *acl2-pass-2-files* t t)
   > >
   > > INITIALIZATION, SECOND PASS, including image save.  The reason for the
   second
   > > pass is that there is some compilation of functions newly defined during
   the
   > > first pass -- in the second pass we use (si::allocate-growth type 1 10
   50 2) to
   > > build a reasonably compact image.
   > >
   > >   ;; (load "init.lsp") ; done automatically
   > >   (in-package "ACL2")
   > >   (save-acl2 (quote (initialize-acl2 (quote include-book)
   *acl2-pass-2-files* t))
   > >              "saved_acl2")
   > >
   > > Let us suppose that a file debian-build.lsp has been created with the
   > > in-package and save-acl2 forms just above, along with a redefinition of
   > > function save-acl2-in-akcl (from file acl2-init.lsp) that comments out
   the form
   > > (si::save-system sysout-name) at the end.  Instead of a redefinition,
   Perhaps I
   > > should add an optional argument to save-acl2 saying not to perform that
   > > save-system, in which case the form would be
   > >
   > >   (save-acl2 (quote (initialize-acl2 (quote include-book)
   *acl2-pass-2-files* t))
   > >              "saved_acl2"
   > >              t)
   > >
   > > I've just made that change for the next release.  But I have not yet
   modified
   > > compile-acl2 to take an optional argument to control whether :system-p t
   should
   > > be passed into compile-file.
   > >
   > > Anyhow, perhaps the answer to your question is as follows.  BUT: This
   assumes
   > > that the "COMPILATION" and "INITIALIZATION, FIRST PASS" steps above have
   > > already been done.  I comment further on this below
   > >
   > > (compiler::link (list
   > >     "axioms.o"
   > >     "basis.o"
   > >     "translate.o"
   > >     "type-set-a.o"
   > >     "linear-a.o"
   > >     "type-set-b.o"
   > >     "linear-b.o"
   > >     "non-linear.o"
   > >     "rewrite.o"
   > >     "simplify.o"
   > >     "bdd.o"
   > >     "other-processes.o"
   > >     "induct.o"
   > >     "history-management.o"
   > >     "prove.o"
   > >     "defuns.o"
   > >     "proof-checker-pkg.lisp"
   > >     "proof-checker-a.o"
   > >     "defthm.o"
   > >     "other-events.o"
   > >     "ld.o"
   > >     "proof-checker-b.o"
   > >     "tutorial.o"
   > >     "interface-raw.o"
   > >     "defpkgs.lisp"
   > >     )
   > > "nsaved_acl2"
   > > "(load \"debian-build.lsp\")" )
   > >
   > > Alternatively, it may be possible to do everything in a single pass,
   which
   > > however would result in a larger image.  It would probably be better to
   do all
   > > three passes as described above: Is there a way that your Debian
   installation
   > > procedure could take three steps, where an image is saved only on the
   third
   > > step?
   > >
   > > ======================================================================
   > >
   > > Now I'll address the rest of your email.
   > >
   > > >> OK, in Debian systems, site-wide emacs initialization code is kept in
   > > >> /etc/emacs/site-start.d.  Here is what the package has there now:
   > > >> ....
   > > >> I can run M-x start-proof-tree immediately on emacs startup, (but not
   > > >> M-x proof-tree).  Is this correct?  M-x run-acl2 works too -- is
   there
   > > >> anything else which might be needed here?
   > > >> .....
   > > >> OK, as you can see I've stuck these in the site-wide startup file.
   > > >> the problem was that I could not byte compile these files, which
   > > >> Debian emacs expects to be able to do.  (I could try to work around
   > > >> this if you think it would be better.)  Will everything work if these
   > > >> are in the site-wide startup file?
   > >
   > > That's probably fine.  It does seems preferable to me to leave the file
   > > structure unchanged, just for uniformity's sake, in which case
   > > /etc/emacs/site-start.d would only have:
   > >
   > > (setq load-path (nconc load-path (list (concat "/usr/share/"
   > >                                                (symbol-name
   debian-emacs-flavor)
   > >                                                "/site-lisp/acl2"))))
   > >
   > > (autoload 'run-acl2
   > >   "top-start-inferior-acl2"
   > >   "Open communication between acl2 running in shell and prooftree." t)
   > >
   > > I wonder if you could just tell Debian emacs not to byte-compile
   anything; is
   > > byte compilation so important?  Anyhow, this probably isn't a big deal,
   so if
   > > things seem to work then perhaps you should leave things as you have
   them.  If
   > > someone complains then we can investigate.
   > >
   > > >>  as were README, README.doc, README.mss,
   > > >> > and README.ps.
   > > >>
   > > >> Thanks!  Will add these.  the standard place is /usr/share/doc/acl2/.
   > >
   > > Thanks.  I should probably rename these README-mouse*; they are very
   minor bits
   > > of documentation.
   > >
   > > >> 1) Must 'books' be certified before use?  I.e. will every acl2 user
   > > >> basically have to do this before getting any useful work done?  If
   so,
   > > >> perhaps I should reverse my earlier opinion and do a 'make
   certify-books' as
   > > >> part of the build, even if it does take time.
   > >
   > > Good question.  We certainly intend that ACL2 users consider using the
   > > distributed books, in which case it makes sense to certify them all.
   However,
   > > it's easy to imagine someone downloading ACL2 just to try it out a bit,
   in
   > > which case they don't really need the books, or they can just play with
   the
   > > relatively few that are certified with the certify-books-short target
   that I
   > > recently created for you.
   > >
   > > If I had to choose, I guess I'd say "make certify-books" is the way to
   go.  If
   > > there is an easy way to provide a "quick install" option that only calls
   > > "make certify-books-short", great.
   > >
   > > >> 2) Can I make the doc and emacs directories symbolic links to their
   > > >>    standard locations on a Debian system?
   > >
   > > That seems fine to me.  I should add that the emacs/ directory (as
   opposed to
   > > interface/emacs/) is kind of peripheral/optional, as suggested by the
   README
   > > there.  So maybe it would be better to leave it in place.
   > >
   > > ======================================================================
   > >
   > > About the next ACL2 release:
   > >
   > > I believe that we will release ACL2 Version 2.7 this month, perhaps
   within the
   > > next week or two.  I'm thinking of putting a link in the installation
   > > instructions to our "What's new" page (currently
   > > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2/v2-6/new.html, but v2-6 will
   become
   > > v2-7) for information about Debian packages.  The idea would be to let
   you know
   > > when we've made the release (or, you could join the ACL2 mailing list if
   you
   > > like, by going to
   > > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2/admin/forms/email.html).
   Then, if
   > > you decide to make Debian package for ACL2 2.7 (which I think would be
   great),
   > > we'll put an appropriate link on the above new.html page when you tell
   us
   > > you're ready.
   > >
   > > Does that make sense?
   > >
   > > Thanks --
   > > - -- Matt
   > >    Cc: address@hidden, address@hidden, address@hidden
   > >    From: Camm Maguire <address@hidden>
   > >    Date: 02 Nov 2002 14:47:46 -0500
   > >
   > >    Greetings, and thank so much for checking this out!
   > >
   > >    Before I comment on your reply below, another issue has arisen with
   > >    which I would greatly appreciate your suggestions.  Even though this
   > >    really isn't that difficult, please allow me to describe this in a
   bit
   > >    of detail for the purpose of clarity.
   > >
   > >
   ============================================================================
   =
   > >    Dr. Schelter had designed GCL to link object files in basically two
   > >    ways, one by loading the .o into the lisp core, and the other to open
   > >    it via dlopen as a shared library.  Only the former method supports
   > >    saving the system image via save-system, i.e. when using dlopen, one
   > >    won't find the shared objects in the right places when executing a
   > >    saved image made with save-system.  And unfortunately as of right
   now,
   > >    we can use the former method only on about half of the Debian
   > >    architectures, though we hope to extend this support universally in
   > >    the future.
   > >
   > >    To deal with this, Dr. Schelter designed an alternate method of
   making
   > >    saved system images when the former loading procedure was not
   > >    available.  It basically consists of 1) first compiling all object
   > >    files with 'compile-file', passing the keyword ':system-p t' in each
   > >    case, 2) linking the .o files with the gcl object files via the
   system
   > >    linker, 3) initializing the objects in the same order as they
   > >    would have been loaded when using the former method, and 4) executing
   > >    save-system.  In addition to being universally portable, this method
   > >    should have a slight performance advantage, as the .o files are not
   in
   > >    the lisp core (and therefore do not take up pages needing garbage
   > >    collection), but are permanently linked in the text section of the
   > >    executable itself.
   > >
   > >    GCL has since implemented a way to automate this somewhat -- the
   > >    'link' function.  Maxima cvs supports this, and it is the default
   > >    method in which the maxima binary is built and tested on all 11
   Debian
   > >    architectures.  'link' takes two required arguments, and two optional
   > >    arguments.  The first argument is an ordered list of files which
   would
   > >    normally be loaded into a running image, either .lisp or .o.  The
   > >    second argument is a string naming the saved image to produce.  The
   > >    optional arguments are a string containing any lisp code which needs
   > >    to be run after loading, and a string listing any extra system
   > >    libraries which might be required.
   > >
   > >    For example, after maxima compiles all its .o files, here is the link
   > >    command used to make the final executable (this is produced via
   > >    defsystem, not explicitly typed in!):
   > >
   > >    (compiler::link (list
   > >     "./maxima-package.lisp"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/sloop.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/lmdcls.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/letmac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/kclmac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/clmacs.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/commac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/mormac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/compat.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/defopt.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/defcal.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/maxmac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/mopers.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/mforma.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/mrgmac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/procs.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/rzmac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/strmac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/displm.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/ratmac.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/mhayat.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/numerm.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/optimize.o"
   > >     "./SYS-PROCLAIM.lisp"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/opers.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/utils.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/sumcon.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/sublis.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/runtim.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/merror.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/mformt.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/mutils.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/outmis.o"
   > >     "./binary-gcl/ar.o"
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   > >     "./autol.lisp"
   > >     "./max_ext.lisp"
   > >     "./autoconf-variables.lisp"
   > >     "./init-cl.lisp")
   > >    "saved_maxima"
   > >    "(provide \"maxima\")" )
   > >
   > >
   > >    What I would greatly appreciate is some help in producing the
   > >    analogous command for acl2, which is bound to be much simpler, I'd
   > >    think.  I've been looking at complie-acl2 and load-acl2, and have
   made
   > >    a start, but am getting various dependency errors, as acl2-fns, for
   > >    example, appears to be being loaded multiple times.
   > >
   > >    Any suggestions most appreciated!
   > >
   ============================================================================
   =
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >    Matt Kaufmann <address@hidden> writes:
   > >
   > >    > Hi, and thank YOU again for all your great GCL work --
   > >    >
   > >    > As you requested, I have taken a look at the Debian ACL2 package
   that you
   > >    > constructed.  Thanks for your work!  Here are some comments.
   > >    >
   > >    > I downloaded
   http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/acl2/acl2_2.6-6_i386.deb
   > >    > to my RedHat 7.3 laptop and then followed the instructions in
   > >    > http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcl/cvs/HOWTO-UNPACK-DEBS.  (By the way, I
   had to become
   > >    > root to do that; perhaps you could mention that in
   HOWTO-UNPACK-DEBS.)  I then
   > >
   > >    Thanks for the tip!  Will do.
   > >
   > >    > issued the command "acl2" at the shell and it seemed to work
   perfectly!  In
   > >    > order to run ACL2 proof trees (meta-x proof-tree) in emacs, though,
   I needed to
   > >    > execute the following forms in emacs (which I have added to my
   .emacs file).
   > >    >
   > >    > (defvar *acl2-interface-dir* "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/acl2/")
   > >    >
   > >    > (autoload 'start-proof-tree
   > >    >   (concat *acl2-interface-dir* "top-start-shell-acl2")
   > >    >   "Enable proof tree logging in a prooftree buffer."
   > >    >   t)
   > >    >
   > >
   > >    OK, in Debian systems, site-wide emacs initialization code is kept in
   > >    /etc/emacs/site-start.d.  Here is what the package has there now:
   > >
   ============================================================================
   =
   > >    ;; -*-emacs-lisp-*-
   > >    ;;
   > >    ;; Emacs startup file for the Debian GNU/Linux acl2 package
   > >    ;;
   > >    ;; Originally contributed by Nils Naumann <address@hidden>
   > >    ;; Modified by Dirk Eddelbuettel <address@hidden>
   > >    ;; Adapted for dh-make by Jim Van Zandt <address@hidden>
   > >
   > >    ;; The acl2 package follows the Debian/GNU Linux 'emacsen' policy and
   > >    ;; byte-compiles its elisp files for each 'emacs flavor' (emacs19,
   > >    ;; xemacs19, emacs20, xemacs20...).  The compiled code is then
   > >    ;; installed in a subdirectory of the respective site-lisp directory.
   > >    ;; We have to add this to the load-path:
   > >    (setq load-path (nconc load-path (list (concat "/usr/share/"
   > >   (symbol-name debian-emacs-flavor)
   > >   "/site-lisp/acl2"))))
   > >
   > >
   > >    ;; Load the emacs interface for acl2 and start it running in an
   > >    ;; inferior-acl2 buffer.
   > >
   > >    ;; May 13 94 Kaufmann & MKSmith
   > >    ;; Sep 25 94 MKSmith
   > >
   > >    ;; THIS GOES IN THE USER'S .emacs FILE,
   > >    ;; after loadpath is set to include this dir.
   > >
   > >    ; BEGIN INSERT after this line
   > >    ;
   > >    ; (autoload 'run-acl2
   > >    ;   "top-start-inferior-acl2"
   > >    ;   "Open communication between acl2 running in shell and prooftree."
   t)
   > >    ;
   > >    ;  END INSERT before this line
   > >
   > >    (require 'acl2-interface) ;loads everything else
   > >
   > >    (defun initialize-mfm-buffer-variables ()
   > >      (setq *mfm-buffer* inferior-acl2-buffer))
   > >
   > >    (setq inferior-acl2-mode-hook
   > >    (extend-hook inferior-acl2-mode-hook
   'initialize-mfm-buffer-variables))
   > >
   > >    (defun load-inferior-acl2 ()
   > >      (interactive)
   > >      (run-acl2 inferior-acl2-program))
   > >
   > >
   > >    ;; Load the emacs interface for acl2 when it is running in a
   > >    ;; shell buffer in shell-mode.
   > >    ;; May 13 94 Kaufmann & MKSmith
   > >
   > >    ;; ASSUMPTION: load path contains the directory this file resides in.
   > >
   > >    (defvar *acl2-user-map-interface*
   > >      '((prooftree-mode-map keys)))
   > >
   > >    (require 'key-interface)
   > >
   > >    ;; (defvar *selected-mode-map*)
   > >    (defvar inferior-acl2-buffer)
   > >
   > >    (defun initialize-mfm-buffer-variables ()
   > >      (setq *mfm-buffer* "*shell*")
   > >      ;; (setq *selected-mode-map* shell-mode-map)
   > >      (setq inferior-acl2-buffer *mfm-buffer*))
   > >
   > >    (defvar shell-mode-hook nil)
   > >    (setq shell-mode-hook
   > > (extend-hook shell-mode-hook 'initialize-mfm-buffer-variables))
   > >
   > >    (defun start-shell-acl2 ()
   > >      (interactive)
   > >      (require 'shell)
   > >      ;; Looks redundant.
   > >      ;;(setq shell-mode-hook
   > >    ;;(extend-hook 'initialize-mfm-buffer-variables shell-mode-hook))
   > >      (shell))
   > >
   > >
   > >    (autoload 'run-acl2
   > >      "top-start-inferior-acl2"
   > >      "Open communication between acl2 running in shell and prooftree."
   t)
   > >
   ============================================================================
   =
   > >
   > >    I can run M-x start-proof-tree immediately on emacs startup, (but not
   > >    M-x proof-tree).  Is this correct?  M-x run-acl2 works too -- is
   there
   > >    anything else which might be needed here?
   > >
   > >
   > >    > But then they worked great; thanks.
   > >    >
   > >    > Also, a file was missing in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/acl2/:
   > >    > load-shell-acl2.el.  (That directory comes from the ACL2
   interface/emacs/
   > >    > directory.)  I went ahead and copied it over manually (as root).
   File
   > >    > load-inferior-acl2.el was also missing,
   > >
   > >    OK, as you can see I've stuck these in the site-wide startup file.
   > >    the problem was that I could not byte compile these files, which
   > >    Debian emacs expects to be able to do.  (I could try to work around
   > >    this if you think it would be better.)  Will everything work if these
   > >    are in the site-wide startup file?
   > >
   > >     as were README, README.doc, README.mss,
   > >    > and README.ps.
   > >
   > >    Thanks!  Will add these.  the standard place is /usr/share/doc/acl2/.
   > >
   > >
   > >    >
   > >    > More importantly, several ACL2 directories (and their
   subdirectories) were
   > >    > missing from the extraction.  In order of importance (most to
   least), they are
   > >    > as follows, where acl2-sources is the top-level ACL2 source
   directory:
   > >    >
   > >    > acl2-sources/        [users need to be able to browse the sources]
   > >    > acl2-sources/books/  [these are like "libraries" -- pre-proved
   theorems etc.]
   > >    > acl2-sources/doc/    [HTML, Emacs info, and Postscript
   documentation]
   > >    > acl2-sources/emacs/  [Some emacs utilities]
   > >    > acl2-sources/interface/infix/
   > >    >
   > >
   > >    Thanks for pointing this out!  Two questions:
   > >    1) Must 'books' be certified before use?  I.e. will every acl2 user
   > >    basically have to do this before getting any useful work done?  If
   so,
   > >    perhaps I should reverse my earlier opinion and do a 'make
   certify-books' as
   > >    part of the build, even if it does take time.
   > >
   > >    2) Can I make the doc and emacs directories symbolic links to their
   > >       standard locations on a Debian system?
   > >
   > >    Thanks again,
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >    > I don't know enough about traditional file organization to suggest
   where these
   > >    > should go in a Debian package.  Our method has been to allow ACL2
   users to
   > >    > download ACL2 and put the acl2-sources directory anywhere they
   want,
   > >    > maintaining the structure that we provide under acl2-sources/.
   Under that
   > >    > method, one of the first things to do is to run the "make
   certify-books"
   > >    > command from acl2-sources/, in order to "certify" the many .lisp
   files under
   > >    > acl2-sources/books/ (i.e., run them through ACL2).  This process
   compiles files
   > >    > and, more importantly, writes out .cert files that have absolute
   pathnames.  I
   > >    > don't know how that would fit into a Debian installation process.
   > >    >
   > >    > >> > By the way, I'm hoping that we will release the next version
   (2.7) of ACL2
   > >    > >> > later this month.  (It's been a year since we released ACL2
   2.6.)
   > >    > >> >
   > >    > >>
   > >    > >> Great!  Any surprises?
   > >    >
   > >    > I don't think so.  The set of files has changed slightly, and of
   course the
   > >    > contents of files have changed somewhat, but the basic structure is
   the same.
   > >    >
   > >    > Thanks --
   > >    > -- Matt
   > >    >    Cc: address@hidden, address@hidden
   > >    >    From: Camm Maguire <address@hidden>
   > >    >    Date: 01 Nov 2002 19:41:24 -0500
   > >    >
   > >    >    Greetings, and thanks for your reply!
   > >    >
   > >    >    Matt Kaufmann <address@hidden> writes:
   > >    >
   > >    >    > Hi, Camm --
   > >    >    >
   > >    >    > That's really great that GCL is in such good shape!
   > >    >    >
   > >    >    > I've added two targets to the top-level ACL2 Makefile for you,
   so that you can
   > >    >    > easily run short tests.  In both cases, the exit status should
   be 0 if the test
   > >    >    > succeeded and non-zero otherwise.  Two files need to be
   edited: Makefile and
   > >    >    > books/Makefile.  At the end below are editing instructions,
   but if you'd rather
   > >    >    > I just email you the entire files, let me know.
   > >    >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >    Many thanks!  I've added these.  BTW, Debian's autobuilders
   expect
   > >    >    *some* output from the build at least every 15 minutes.  For
   > >    >    potentially long running tests with redirected standard output,
   I
   > >    >    usually use this trick:
   > >    >
   > >    >    $(MAKE) short-test-aux > short-test.log 2> short-test.log &
   j=$$! ; \
   > >    >    tail -f --pid=$$j --retry short-test.log & wait $$j
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >    > >> Lastly, I'd be most appreciate if you or some other
   knowledgeable acl2
   > >    >    > >> user could look at the package and comment as to whether
   everything is
   > >    >    > >> available and in the right place.
   > >    >    >
   > >    >    > Sure.  Please point me to where it is.  I don't know anything
   about Debian
   > >    >    > packages but I'll try to find someone who does.  Or would it
   suffice to follow
   > >    >    > the instructions at
   http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcl/cvs/HOWTO-UNPACK-DEBS and build
   > >    >    > it on my Redhat 7.3 laptop?
   > >    >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >    http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/acl2/
   > >    >
   > >    >    > By the way, I'm hoping that we will release the next version
   (2.7) of ACL2
   > >    >    > later this month.  (It's been a year since we released ACL2
   2.6.)
   > >    >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >    Great!  Any surprises?
   > >    >
   > >    >    > Finally, regarding your emacs point:
   > >    >    >
   > >    >    > >> Also, a Debian user has already brought up a minor issue in
   the emacs
   > >    >    > >> lisp interface regarding differences between xemacs and GNU
   emacs.  He
   > >    >    > >> is suggesting the following:
   > >    >    > >>
   > >    >    > >>
   ============================================================================
   =
   > >    >    > >> (defun acl2-shared-lisp-mode-map ()
   > >    >    > >>   "Return the shared lisp-mode-map, independent of Emacs
   version."
   > >    >    > >>   (if (boundp 'shared-lisp-mode-map)
   > >    >    > >>       shared-lisp-mode-map
   > >    >    > >>     lisp-mode-shared-map))
   > >    >    > >>
   > >    >    > >> and replacing references to shared-lisp-mode-map with
   > >    >    > >> (acl2-shared-lisp-mode-map) ought to work.  (I actually
   even tested
   > >    >    > >> the approach with GNU Emacs 20, GNU Emacs 21, and XEmacs 21
   this
   > >    >    > >> time; I get byte-compiler warnings, but that's all. ;-))
   > >    >    > >>
   ============================================================================
   =
   > >    >    > >>
   > >    >    > >> Do you have any thoughts here?
   > >    >    >
   > >    >    > Thanks very much.  I guess you're referring to directory
   interface/emacs/ in
   > >    >    > the ACL2 distribution; is that right?  Your solution looks
   reasonable to me.
   > >    >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >    OK, its in.
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >    Thanks again!
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >    --
   > >    >    Camm Maguire      address@hidden
   > >    >
   ==========================================================================
   > >    >    "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  --
   Baha'u'llah
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >
   > >    --
   > >    Camm Maguire      address@hidden
   > >
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   > >    "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  --
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