[Top][All Lists]
[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Ubuntu !free
From: |
Andrew John Hughes |
Subject: |
Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Ubuntu !free |
Date: |
Fri, 2 May 2008 10:41:44 +0100 |
2008/5/2 Simon Ward <address@hidden>:
> On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 10:00:25AM +0100, aidy lewis wrote:
> > In last night's lecture Stallman gave some examples of free GNU
> > distros. Ubuntu was not one of them.
>
> Ubuntu is arguably free software, but the devil is in the details.
> Stallman was talking about distributions encouraging the installation of
> non-free software by providing the means to: The non-free section in
> Debian, restricted(?) in Ubuntu.
>
> Ututo and gNewSense don't include non-free sections, and not even
> 'cpan', as the licences of CPAN modules are not always free.
>
>
> > Why then does Ubuntu say it is free software:
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
>
> "Currently, we make a specific exception for some "drivers"
> which are only available in binary form, without which many
> computers will not complete the Ubuntu installation. We place
> these in a restricted section of your system which makes them
> easy to remove if you do not need them."
>
> I suspect "Ubuntu is happy to call itself open source" is also not
> giving it any kudos. :)
>
>
> > If it is not free software, should we not raise a bug against Ubuntu?
> > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
>
> If there isn't one already, I think there should be.
>
> Simon
> --
> Email: address@hidden | Jabber ID: address@hidden
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved
> from a simple system that works. -- John Gaule
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iD8DBQFIGt30j6/6lS/XEIoRAur/AJ4ir2IhMVSDteBrR8/F2J1T0smosQCfVIpv
> +4WaQohRoS8t0S+MStdugYM=
> =gfQz
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
> _______________________________________________
> Fsuk-manchester mailing list
> address@hidden
> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsuk-manchester
>
>
What RMS was talking about more specifically was the FSF recommending
a Free GNU/Linux distribution.
Ubuntu and Debian rule themselves out straight away by providing the
non-free/multiverse repository. Even though it
is possible to use these distributions without having these extra
repositories turned on (all my Debian installations are
configured this way), the FSF can't recommend a distribution that is
effectively promoting non-free software.
That said, I'm not 100% sure that these distributions sans the
non-free repositories meet the FSF criteria. Debian
packages have to meet their own set of license requirements which I
believe are close to the Free software requirements,
but differ slightly. I doubt that the Linux firmware issues are dealt
with fully, for example.
Of course, they do a much better job than some other GNU/Linux
distributions I could mention, and this is probably why
these other distributions refer to themselves wrongly as Linux
distributions as well.
--
Andrew :-)
Support Free Java!
Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK
http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath
http://openjdk.java.net
PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net)
Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8