[Fsuk-manchester] Re: How to respond to anti-GNU trolls?

[Tim Dobson]

sorry mattl

On 20/11/2007, vijay chopra <address@hidden> wrote:
>
>
> On 20/11/2007, Tim Dobson <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Windows is an operating system. GNU is an operating system.
> >
> > Ubuntu is a brand name for a particular combination of the GNU/Linux OS
> > plus other software. Linux is a registered trademark for a kernel.
> >
> > If Ubuntu replaced Linux with another kernel, would you expect them to
> > change their name? The GNU system can support many kernels, including:-
> >
> > * Hurd
> > * Linux
> > * OpenSolaris
> > * FreeBSD's kernel
> > * NetBSD's kernel
> >
> > GNU/Linux is the logical name for the GNU system with a Linux kernel.
> > It's preferred because it does two things - a) Calls attention to the
> > Free Software and the GNU Project b) Gives familarity with systems that
> > have a different kernel, such as GNU/Hurd, GNU/OpenSolaris, etc.
>
>
> First I've never heard (or seen written)  GNU/OpenSolaris before today,
> neither have I seen GNU/*BSD (has anyone applied the GNU toolset to the BSD
> kernel, and who survived the ensuing licence flame war) . It's certainly not
> in common usage even when referring to those operating systems. Secondly the
> reverse is also true, I could take much of the the GNU toolset and replace
> them whilst still running a Linux system. Does this mean that if, for
> example I dropped the switched the GNU toolset for the BSD one, I'd have to
> call the resulting system BSD/Linux??
>
> The easiest way to clear this up is for you to define "Operating System" to
> me; I don't belive that userland tools are part of an OS, do you?
>
> > Progress on the Hurd is slow - when there are already several better
> > working kernels for the GNU system, it is difficult to get a critical
> > mass of developers to work on another kernel, when there are more
> > important free software projects to hack on.
>
> Also can you define the "GNU system" to me please, is it anything with the
> GPL attached, or just GCC?
>
> Vijay.
>
>
>


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On 20/11/2007, Tim Dobson <address@hidden> wrote:
> This guy clearly has the wrong end of the stick:
>
> On 20/11/2007, vijay chopra <address@hidden> wrote:
> > The way I see it, the GNU parts of my Linux machine are in userland.
> > Similarly, the GNU parts (GPL) of my windows machine are in userland, so it
> > makes as much sense for me to call my Ubuntu box GNU/Linux as it does to
> > call my Windows box GNU/Windows; i.e none what so ever.
> > As I alluded to earlier, when you get HURD running, then you can call it a
> > GNU operating system
>
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