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Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine]
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Jean Louis |
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Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine] |
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Tue, 01 Mar 2022 06:01:01 +0000 |
Big statements there, with zero references. This is not conspiracy website.
On February 28, 2022 3:22:31 PM UTC, Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu>
wrote:
>> And that would imply that Putin is really mad men and is now coming
>to
>> attack Ukraine for which real reason? You tell us please.
>
>Because russians are so tired of him and he’s getting old and afraid of
>loosing control, so
>he launches his last card and plays everything in.
>
>Ukraine, along with Finland and Sweden (which he threatened too) are
>worrying
>counterexample of liberalism and better situation to most of russians.
>And most of
>russians are aware of this.
>
>Moreover: speaking russian in ukraine is easy, many people understand
>russian there (I
>keep hearing that russian propaganda stating people are being
>threatened for speaking
>russian there is wrong, from mostly russians leaving there; and to have
>mostly spoke
>russian myself in ukraine i can confirm); if a russian moves there, not
>only they can keep
>speaking their language, but they can most easily learn the local one
>as it is most similar,
>pretty easy and even somewhat more regular and rational.
>
>So that WAS a really nice place, and the easiest one, for russians to
>escape. The conflict
>since its beginning (before war) is itself is a mere excuse to avoid
>that to happen (as
>russian men has been forbidden to go there before). There is to some
>degree hypocrit
>collaboration between russian and ukrainian elites (who btw both have
>stakes and
>properties and capital in each others’ country) for that sake:
>artificially separating as much
>as possible two countries with so friendly and similar people with each
>other. There have
>been, on both side, support to the far right, neonazis, etc. A lot
>more so from putin’s side:
>most of the far rights and neonazis are funded by him in Europe.
>French far right is backed
>by Putin. Hungary and Poland, worst situations in europe, are because
>of Putin. Our
>increasing commitment to methane, because of our abandonment of
>carbonclean nuclear
>(and also the subsequent increasing reliement on coal) is also Putin’s
>fault. This is not only
>threatening Russia, Ukraine, Europe, but the whole planet’s citizens.
>
>That was okay as long as it only meant for ukraine to give up on
>helping and welcoming
>russians. Now it’s not enough anymore. The internet is making the
>people increasingly
>powerful and aware of whatever freedom exists elsewhere and they could
>get.
>
>The same sospokenabout situation of «if we lower taxes the powerfuls
>are gonna escape»
>is there happening inversely: if you help the powerful, the actual
>people will see it and
>wanna leave. This always have been true, it is called migration.
>Migration is a threat to
>oppression, and border its solution: a threat to freedom. Free
>circulation of wealth good to
>the wealthiests and their wealth, free circulation of people good to
>the people and their
>freedom.
>
>Wars, soldiers, militaries, aggressions, these all reinforce borders.
>
>What inspired me mostly:
>https://nitter.fdn.fr/jmkorhonen/status/1496047631969234944[1]
>
>Please remember we have to keep in favor of freedom, and that means
>against aggression,
>against censorship, surveillance, proprietary software. If you ever
>feel these could locally
>or temporarily used to fight oppression, you are tricked.
>
>--------
>[1] https://nitter.fdn.fr/jmkorhonen/status/1496047631969234944
Jean
- Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine],
Jean Louis <=