Re: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options

[daniela-spit]

> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 at 4:59 AM
> From: "TRS-80" <trs-80@isnotmyreal.name>
> To: daniela-spit@gmx.it
> Cc: "Kyle Meyer" <kyle@kyleam.com>, "Tom Gillespie" <tgbugs@gmail.com>, 
> "Org-Mode mailing list" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>, "Emacs-orgmode" 
> <emacs-orgmode-bounces+orgmode.trs-80=isnotmyreal.name@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting 
> user options
>
> On 2020-11-29 17:08, daniela-spit@gmx.it wrote:
> >
> > Yes, there are problems with the documentation.  I noticed recently
> > that
> > some guy criticised the manual, and so many got super defensive.  You
> > should
> > give him a medal for telling you how things are.
>
> I guess in my mind, complaining about the manual, to a bunch of
> volunteers and fellow users, is probably on the pretty unhelpful end of
> the scale.
>
> Making constructive criticism is then slightly better, at least you are
> not deriding (mostly volunteer) people's work and effort.  Although not
> by much, as this still does not require too much effort.
>
> However submitting a patch with an improvement to the documentation is
> quite valuable.  Pretty much on the opposite end of the scale in fact.
> And thus, only this level of contribution "deserves a medal" as far as I
> am concerned.
>
> I was not privy to particulars of conversation you mention, although I
> have seen this sort of entitled attitude often enough in F/LOSS to have
> somewhat of an idea of how it might have played out.
>
> Entitled users becoming demanding of things they expect (for free, no
> less) is not just a drag, it's the cancer that slowly kills F/LOSS
> projects.  As eventually actually valuable contributors (maintainers,
> devs, etc.) have had enough of it, get burnt out and leave the project.
> I have seen it far too many times over the years.
>
> So I imagine what you witnessed was a sort of natural defense mechanism,
> protecting the overall health of the community and project by having a
> strong reaction to such negative attitudes.

There are problems in Org-Agenda my friend.  And quite some confusion
on what mailing list to use.  Only one mailing list is mentioned, then
people start sending you here and there.  At other times, things are done
in a piecemeal process.  Elisp can be challenging and you will not learning
in school.  There needs to be some intermediate level manual if you want
people to get good enough to help the project.  I am quite sure that some
people do spend a long time testing the code.


> Cheers,
> TRS-80
>