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Re: [PATCH] doc/org-manual.org: Extend table formulas Lisp form document


From: Charles Millar
Subject: Re: [PATCH] doc/org-manual.org: Extend table formulas Lisp form documentation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:15:49 -0500
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On 11/18/20 2:42 PM, TEC wrote:

I have 2c on the use of "interpolated".

1. I tend to think of "interpolated" in terms of it's mathematical
   meaning
2. The other denotations relate to insertion and renewing, which simply
   doesn't fit.

I appreciate that other people may have used this too, but as I see it
that just means that other people have engaged in strange word choices.

Suggested alternatives: Substituted, transpiled, or translated.

Timothy.

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For context, here's the definition, etymology, and symonyms.

Definition
  Intransitive Verb
​​​​   1. To renew; to carry on with intermission. [Obs.] 
​​​​   2. To alter or corrupt by the insertion of new or foreign 
      matter; especially, to change, as a book or text, by the
      insertion of matter that is new, or foreign to the purpose
      of the author.
​​​​   3. (Mathematics) To fill up intermediate terms of, as of a series, 
      according to the law of the series; to introduce, as a
      number or quantity, in a partial series, according to the
      law of that part of the series.
  Adjective
​​​​   1. Inserted in, or added to, the original; introduced; 
      foisted in; changed by the insertion of new or spurious
      matter.

​​​​   2. (Math.) 
​​​​​      (a) Provided with necessary interpolations; as, an 
          interpolated table.
​​​​​      (b) Introduced or determined by interpolation; as, 
          interpolated quantities or numbers.

​​Etymology
 
​​​interpolate verb 

1610s, "to alter or enlarge (a writing) by inserting new material," from Latin interpolatus, past participle of interpolare "alter, freshen up, polish;" of writing, "falsify," from inter "among, between" (see inter-) + polare, which is related to polire "to smoothe, polish," from PIE root *pel- ( 5) "to thrust, strike, drive," the connecting notion being "to full cloth" [Watkins].

Sense evolved in Latin from "refurbish," to "alter appearance of," to "falsify (especially by adding new material)." Middle English had interpolen (early 15c.) in a similar sense. Related: Interpolated; interpolating.

​​Synonyms
 
​​​verb adjective 
​​​​1. Insert (wrongfully),  foist in.
​​​​2. (Math .) Introduce, intercalate (terms to complete a series).


Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:

Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:

On 16/11/2020 11:25, Eric S Fraga wrote:
Daniele,

this looks good.  One minor pedantic point: I think you mean
"interpreted" when you say "interpolated" (several times in the
text).  Otherwise, this is a very useful addition to the manual.

Thank you for reading and for the comment.

"interpolated" looks strange to me in this context too, but it is the
word that is currently used in the manual. I decided to stick to this
term for consistency, however, I haven't check if it is used with the
same meaning elsewhere.

I don't think it is wrong to use "interpolated", but if you thing it
should be changed I can change it and check the manual for consistency.
However, I don't think "interpreted" is the right word either. Probably
"replaced" or "substituted" are better choices in this context.


I agree. Interpolated is consistent with manuals for other programming
languages which have similar functionality. However, org is also used by
a more diverse community than typical programming languages, so perhaps
'replaced' or 'substituted' would be a better choice?



Just my 2 cents, not being a programmer so I see one way that interpolate may be correct

Are the cell references actually inserted into the lisp form when the formula is evaluated Please note that the word "the" is used not an indefinite 'a", i.e.

Cell table +references are interpolated into the Lisp form before execution

as opposed to

Cell table
+references are interpolated into a lisp form before execution

Charlie Millar


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