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Re: [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim


From: Carsten Dominik
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 07:05:17 +0100

Hi Herbert,

this looks pretty amazing - I had no feeling for how much would
be possible in vim.  I believe that this will make some people
quite happy, and I also think that it is a smart move
to avoid publishing headaches by calling out to Emacs.
I too like the number of hidden lines instead of ellipses
for the outlining and some other little things.  I hope
that you'll keep us up to date here - it looks like we
will be able to learn a few things from your work.

Congratulations

- Carsten

On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Herbert Sitz wrote:

I've been working on a Vim plugin that is file-compatible with Org- mode and that clones a good subset of features. It's gotten to the point where I'd like to put it up on Github and see if anyone wants to use it and/or help develop it with me. So far I've implemented a good subset of Org's functionality and, though it has a few rough edges, right now it could be perfectly usable for certain people out there who prefer Vim as a text editor, but who have been drawn to Emacs' Org-mode because of its features. My project isn't at the point where it has all the features or the polish of Org-mode, but many Org-mode users use only a small subset of Org. For people who prefer Vim and have subsets
coinciding with my project it could be an option.

I've made a video showing what it looks like and demonstrating some of the basic outlining stuff. I just uploaded it to Vimeo, and it tells me it will be available for viewing in a couple hours (i.e., around 3:15pm PST today, Friday
Nov. 5,2010).  When available it will be viewable at this link:
http://vimeo.com/16543959

For someone who asks, 'Why would you bother to do this for Vim when it's already
done in Emacs?", I would have these responses:

1. A lot of people don't like Emacs. It is of course an insanely powerful piece of software, but a lot of people can never get accustomed to the chord-key command system, or if they do get semi-accustomed they don't like it or it
causes them physical pain.
2. Some people are of the opinion that, while Emacs is admittedly a great operating system/development environment, it lacks a decent text editor. ;) 3. Emacs and Vim (or Vim and Emacs) are king and queen atop the pile of text editors. What one has the other should have to, to the extent possible. 4. I consider myself a Vim person, but I moved to Org-mode and Emacs myself (made almost palatable to me by Viper and Vimpulse) because I wanted to be able to publish outlines to PDF and HTML. Vim has a couple decent outliners but nobody has bothered to create good export systems for quality output. I had written some (non-publishing-related) extensions for one of the Vim outliners
and I knew it wouldn't be that hard to write something in Vim that was
file-compatible with Org-mode, which would then be able to publish to PDF and HTML simply by calling out to an Emacs server. This was my original goal and
it's done and works great.
5. As I did some work I became more curious about all the task management and organization features in Org-mode, and how they might be implemented in Vim. So I started coding up stuff for the various Org searches, agenda views, sparse trees, column views, date management, etc. This is actually fun to do and Vim is well-suited for doing it. So I've kept going. I'm hoping someone else might
have an interest in doing this with me.
6. As I said in 5., developing this stuff is fun.

That's about it. If there's any interest I'll do more videos showing how other Org-mode features have been implemented in the Vim plugin, and where they stand
right now in the Vim plugin compared to Org-mode.

Regards,

Herb Sitz
Seattle, WA




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