Re: Improving EQ

[Andrea Corallo]

Pip Cet via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
writes:

> "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 22:37:04 +0000
>>> From:  Pip Cet via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>>>
>>> What's missing here is a benchmark, but unless there's a really nasty
>>> surprise when that happens, I'm quite confident that we can improve the
>>> code here.
>>
>> The usual easy benchmark is to byte-compile all the *.el files in the
>> source tree.  That is, remove all the *.elc files, then say "make" and
>> time that.
>
> Considering the point of the optimization was to make compilation (when
> symbols_with_pos_enabled is true) slower, but speed up non-compilation
> use cases, I think that may be the opposite of what we want :-)

Glad you finally agree on the goal of the optimization.

> Furthermore, the master branch doesn't currently build after deleting
> all the *.elc files, because recompilation exceeds max-lisp-eval-depth
> in that scenario (together with the known purespace issue, this pretty
> much means "make bootstrap" is the only way I can rebuild an emacs tree
> right now. It'd be great if Someone could look into this, but I've
> failed to understand the native-compilation code (and been told off for
> trying to) too often for that Someone to be me. Plus, of course, I fully
> understand that native compilation currently has wrong code generation
> bugs which obviously have to take priority over build issues...)
>
>> There was also some Emacs benchmark suite that someone posted, but I
>> cannot find it now, maybe someone else will.
>
> https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/elisp-benchmarks.html ? It'd be great if
> we could agree on a benchmark, and even better if there were a way to
> reliably run it from emacs -Q :-)

What is not reliable in the elisp-benchmarks invocation suggested in the
instructions in it?

> In fact, I would suggest to move a reduced benchmark suite to the emacs
> repo itself, and run it using "make benchmark".

That would be nice.