Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove

[Jeremy Bryant]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,  Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
>>  Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 22:15:59 +0800
>> 
>> Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org> writes:
>> 
>> > I don't trust that many such users exist, and even if they did,
>> > providing default keybindings for these keys will not somehow override
>> > the keybindings you install yourself.
>> 
>> Sure.  And more users stand to benefit from Windmove commands if they
>> are bound to C-x 4, than if they were required to bind such commands
>> themselves, commands defined by a package that is already of marginal
>> interest?  What extraordinary logic!
>> 
>> > This attitude is why Doom Emacs exists. A live software project is one
>> > that changes. A dead one prioritizes stasis over user experience.
>> 
>> Since Doom Emacs exists and is Free Software, why are users not at
>> liberty to install it and bid farewell to reaction and "stasis" in Emacs
>> development?  And why is it a matter for our consideration whether we
>> fail or succeed in competing with them?  Any mention of "competition"
>> with an Emacs package is already a contradiction in terms.
>> 
>> > Nothing we're talking about here will disturb your custom
>> > keybindings. Your experience will work just as it did before. The only
>> > difference is that users who don't have custom bindings for the arrow
>> > keys under C-x 4 will get windmove functionality if they don't
>> > customize the bindings.
>> 
>> Spoken like a true intellectual, in the face of a real-life example to
>> the contrary.
>
> This dispute begins to spill into the not-so-nice area, so I think it
> is time for those who already made their opinions abundantly clear to
> stop, and let people who have not yet spoken do so.
>
> It is clear that Daniel thought years ago we should have key bindings
> for windmove, and still thinks so, and Stefan Monnier agrees with him.
> It is also clear that Alan and Po Lu think we shouldn't.  Now let's
> hear from others, and please leave it to the Emacs maintainers to
> decide what to do with this after we've heard enough opinions.

Here for another opinion on the narrow topic of the proposed bindings.
I originally set up the C-x 4 bindings on Daniel's suggestion in the
original thread (~2021):

1.
I also find that C-x 4 is indeed logical, which makes it easier to remember

2.
C-x 4 .. works on the terminal/console.  This is important for
preserving functionality of Emacs.