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Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?
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Colin Baxter |
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Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits? |
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Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:44:16 +0000 |
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>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: chad <yandros@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:18:27
>> -0800 Cc: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie>, Yuan Fu
>> <casouri@gmail.com>, Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>, emacs-devel
>> <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
>> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>>
>> In more pragmatic terms, I would guess that it's entirely
>> possible to excise motif/lesstif, athena, and Xaw3d from main
>> without anyone noticing. Whether this is worth the effort in a
>> world leaning ever so slowly towards Cairo and pgtk is a little
>> hard to tell, but a quick grep through src suggests that it would
>> at least clear up a bunch of #ifdef spaghetti.
>>
>> Would the maintainers be interested in a branch that tried this?
>> Would it be better to wait for pgtk to settle first? Is there a
>> big use-case for those toolkits of which I'm unaware?
> I'm not sure I understand how a branch could help. A branch is
> generally used by significantly fewer people than the master
> branch. A branch that doesn't bring any new user-visible
> features, and just cleans up code, is unlikely to provide
> motivation for anyone to try it. So I'm afraid such a branch will
> just sit there unused, and will not bring us any closer to a
> decision.
> I think if we want to move towards removing those toolkits, we
> should try a different approach. Two ideas:
> . analyze the bug report in debbugs DB, and see how many builds
> are with any of these toolkits . look at GNU/Linux distros and see
> if they still provide builds with any of these toolkits, and what
> was the last version of Emacs when they did
> We should also somehow analyze the usage of these toolkits on
> other Posix platforms, although I'm not sure I know how -- do they
> offer distros similar to GNU/Linux? if so, we could include them
> in the 2nd item above.
> Once we have an idea about the usage and popularity of each of
> these toolkits, we could decide what changes are reasonable, and
> make them on master.
I would like to put in a plea for the retention of lucid. I build both
lucid and GTK versions of emacs. The former consistently loads about a
third faster and for text applications, e.g. auctex, I prefer it. I
write this knowing that my preferences can be dismissed as personal and
anecdotal.
Best wishes,
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- Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, chad, 2021/02/11
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?,
Colin Baxter <=
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Robert Pluim, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Robert Pluim, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Robert Pluim, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Jean Louis, 2021/02/12
- Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits?, Jean Louis, 2021/02/12