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Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter |
Date: |
Tue, 09 Aug 2016 20:51:36 +0300 |
> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 19:34:20 +0200
> From: martin rudalics <address@hidden>
> CC: address@hidden
>
> > Another alternative would be to return a window in both cases.
>
> But then we can't discriminate minibuffer-less from normal frames by
> looking at the parameter value only.
We can look at what window-frame returns for that window, can't we?
> > We have already a few cases where frame-parameter returns a value
> > different from the one specified when make-frame was called. There's
> > nothing wrong about that, if it's Emacs that chooses the actual value.
>
> This goes both ways. With (2) Emacs would choose nil when
> ‘set-frame-position’ explicitly asks for a window. And with no
> 'minibuffer' specified we'd have to return t or a window in any case.
Yes, but IMO nil is not a meaningful value. If we know better, we
should return a more concrete value.
> > Do you still prefer (2)? I prefer storing a window because then we
> > could naturally return it, like we do with frame colors.
>
> C code never consults the frame parameter. Elisp code currently
> consults the parameter in four places only, three of them to find out
> whether the frame is minibuffer-only. If Elisp code wants the window,
> it uses ‘minibuffer-window’ which handles all types of frames. And with
> (2) the values t, nil and 'only' would immediately tell the type of any
> frame.
Yes, of course, the current situation is not impossible. We are
talking about improving it.
- Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter, (continued)
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- Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter, martin rudalics, 2016/08/08
- Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/08/08
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- Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/08/09
- Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter, martin rudalics, 2016/08/09
- Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/08/09
- Re: About the 'minibuffer' frame parameter, martin rudalics, 2016/08/09
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