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Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused.
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Chong Yidong |
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Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused. |
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Thu, 28 May 2009 16:48:15 -0400 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) |
Alan Mackenzie <address@hidden> writes:
> The essence of my unhappiness is that "active" isn't defined. You've
> put in a formal @dfn{active}, but weaselled out of actually defining
> it. You state what happens _when_ the mark is "active", but not what
> a mark has to do or to be to acquire or to lose the essence of
> "active"ness.
Good point; I've changed this accordingly.
As for changing the "active mark" terminology, that's not particularly
profitable, because it's already deeply embedded in the C and Lisp code
for over a decade. (There are, of course, many other terminology
problems of this sort in Emacs.) The main thing that's important, I
think, is that the description of the "transient-mark-mode enabled"
behavior and the "transient-mark-mode disabled" behavior are each
internally consistent; they aren't always mutually consistent, but
that's too bad.
> In *scratch*, disable Transient Mark Mode, write the following line and
> put the region as indicated:
>
> one two threeee
> ^ ^
> | |
> point mark
>
> The mark is now active (since t-m-m is nil). Therefore the region is
> "active". Execute the command `ispell-word' with M-$; this is a command
> which supposedly works on the region when the region is "active". It
> fails to flag the non-word "threeee", suggesting that it regards the
> region as "inactive".
As described in the section about what happens when Transient Mark mode
is disabled:
Some commands, which ordinarily operate on the region when the mark is
active, instead act on the entire buffer. For instance, @kbd{C-x u}
normally reverses changes within the region if the mark is active;
when Transient Mark mode is off, it acts on the entire buffer.
However, you can type @kbd{C-u C-x u} to make it operate on the
region. @xref{Undo}. Other commands that act this way are identified
in their own documentation.
- Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Alan Mackenzie, 2009/05/28
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Chong Yidong, 2009/05/28
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Alan Mackenzie, 2009/05/28
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused.,
Chong Yidong <=
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Alan Mackenzie, 2009/05/28
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Davis Herring, 2009/05/28
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Alan Mackenzie, 2009/05/29
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Chong Yidong, 2009/05/28
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Stefan Monnier, 2009/05/28
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Kevin Rodgers, 2009/05/29
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Andreas Roehler, 2009/05/29
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Stephen J. Turnbull, 2009/05/29
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Alan Mackenzie, 2009/05/29
- Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused., Stephen J. Turnbull, 2009/05/31