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29.1; Drop text suggesting using `and' to replace `if' |
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Wed, 06 Dec 2023 13:47:02 -0800 |
In section "the `kill-new' function" - the third last paragraph to be
precise - there are some texts in parentheses that discusses potentially
using an `and' to replace the `if' statement being discussed. It looks
like to be referring to an earlier version of the code example[1] before
using the version from Emacs 22. Meanwhile, it looks like relying on
the side effect of `and' to emulate an `if' may not be a good idea
nowadays. So is it OK to drop this advice?
[1]
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi#n8597
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Re: bug#67669: 29.1; Drop text suggesting using `and' to replace `if' |
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Thu, 07 Dec 2023 11:54:20 -0800 |
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
>> Cc: 67669@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2023 09:49:13 -0800
>>
>> Agreed on the point of being educational, and of course in the end
>> coding style is mostly a matter of personal preference. However, I
>> would argue a bit that in such case we wouldn't need `if' or `when' at
>> all as both can be emulated by `and' and `or' if you are careful enough.
>> On the other hand, `if' and `when' should exist for a reason. I quite
>> like this suggestion[1] that `if' and `when' are used to guard side
>> effects, whereas `and' and `or' are used for pure functions.
>> Interestingly the current example you quoted changed from using `and'
>> (as in the old version I quoted) to `if' probably based on this
>> reasoning. Similarly I wouldn't suggest to replace `if' with `and' in
>> the original example around the text we are discussing:
>>
>> (if interprogram-cut-function
>> (funcall interprogram-cut-function string (not replace))))
>>
>> as we are also guarding a side effect here.
>>
>> Wdyt?
>
> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "guarding a side effect",
I was referring to whether we care about and use the result of the
statement/function call. In `and' we do, in `if' we don't and we just
use the side effect.
> and I'm not sure where this discussion goes. If the issue is personal
> stylistic preferences, then I'd prefer to leave the text as it was
> according to the preferences of the original author (which I happen to
> share, but that's not important).
>
> OK?
As I was just trying to argue just "a bit", I won't be insisting either.
Thanks for listening, and let me close this.
--
Xiyue Deng
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