Re: [edu-eu] FWB: Foss with benefits

[Charles Cossé]

Hi Cecilie,

Thanks for your latest inputs.  I'm glad we've ironed-out the semantics and misunderstandings.  I will revise my terminology on the homepage to reflect the good advice so-far in this conversation.  I am UTC-7 here, i.e. 2am, so please replace "non-commercial"  with "GPL-v3 / FOSS" until I have the opportunity tomorrow morning to make those revisions.  Thank you, again, for your input.

Charles

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:39 AM, L.Cecilie Wian <address@hidden> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:29 AM, L.Cecilie Wian <address@hidden> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Charles Cossé <address@hidden> wrote:

Thank you Michael :)

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Michael Kesper <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi all,

Am 05.02.2015 um 08:12 schrieb L.Cecilie Wian:

Now I may sound like I got bitten by Richard, but,  you keep saying
"open source",  not "free software". That matters. At least when you
send out  on this list.

I will probably take a look at your project,  but it doesn't feel like
you are listening to marko . And you should.

Please please read your comments again.
I'm very sad to hear such harsh comments when somebody proposes a tool for propagating knowledge about Free Software.

I meant to be strict, not rude. 

And i was annoyed by phrasing, where developers and parents was invited to the discussion, not everyone on the list, thus disregarding the input you got. Glad that was not your intention. 

@Charles: Thanks for the info about your project!
I think it's better to not create false dichotomies in people's mind:
- Free Software (aka open source) is always commercially useable, that's freedom 0
- FSFE absolutely encourages building business models on creating, spreading, studying, using or improving Free Software!
- As there's no free lunch, you've got to have some way to accept money if you want to build a sustaining infrastructure

So, I'd cut out the "non-commercial" attribute and would paraphrase it differently, better explaining what you mean.

It looks like i'm missing an email here? 

Anyway, i'll go a little back and talk a littlebit about the semantics, because when getting into EDU what seems like a detail is huge. 

The non-comercial part is at first glance a good way of ensuring no-one takes your good ideas and run of with them, while ensuring the intended audience get to use the software. However be aware that a lot of schools and educators are actually in private sector and NC in a licence keeps them from being allowed to use it, b/c they make money out of education. The other way to go about it is the GPL, and since you say you want that i think we are getting somewhere intressting. 

I'll have a closer look at your project now. 

When it comes to the very little amount of edu-software (on the list, but also everywhere else), it is so b/c it is a really hard thing to do. Not only to make technically a good solution, but one that interact with humans with edu in mind. However it is not impossible. 

By the way, i think it is a good idea to take the inputs about the software perhaps directly or via videoconferance. So we don't fill everyones inbox with technical details. Or?

--

Cecilie Wian

"A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for."

- Grace Hopper / William G.T. Shedd

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