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Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check
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Arne Babenhauserheide |
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Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check |
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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:59:19 +0100 |
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Am Donnerstag 13 November 2008 23:17:29 schrieb Michal Suchanek:
> The security model used by EROS and Coyotos uses capabilities instead.
As far as I understand Neals research paper, he's also thinking in that
direction.
But please see below for the timeframe.
> However, this requires fundamental redesign of the current Hurd. This
> is why some people think that it would be also a good idea to drop the
> now-obsolete Mach and start with a modern kernel which is also
> incidentally designed to support capabilities.
While I think that this sounds interesting, it doesn't seem like a viable way
to go in the Hurds current situation.
When more and more people join in, so larger projects can be tackled and
finished, this might become a good option, though.
The Hurd is to a good deal a collection of servers and communication APIs
after all, so why shouldn't these be ported to different kinds of microkernels
(preferable with a compatibility layer of sorts, so developments can be shared
easily).
But that's for the time when the Hurd will have more than a handful of active
core developers, and to reach that time, it first needs to reach other niches,
since every journey still consists of many smaller steps - and every one of
these steps has the chance of attracting additional developers.
> > And would you join in?
>
> For me the current Hurd is not of much interest anymore. From my point
> of view the very foundation is fundamentally flawed, and I am not a
> microkernel or hardware developer so I cannot start a new one.
> Still given the Hurd development timeframes it is not completely
> impossible I would become one before the Hurd is finished.
Since that only depends on the question if you'll become a Hurd developer in
your lifetime (an OS is never really finished :) ), I hope we can greet you
here as developer some day.
Best wishes,
Arne
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- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, (continued)
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, olafBuddenhagen, 2008/11/12
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, olafBuddenhagen, 2008/11/12
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Michal Suchanek, 2008/11/13
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Arne Babenhauserheide, 2008/11/13
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Michal Suchanek, 2008/11/13
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Arne Babenhauserheide, 2008/11/13
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Michal Suchanek, 2008/11/13
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check,
Arne Babenhauserheide <=
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Michal Suchanek, 2008/11/13
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, olafBuddenhagen, 2008/11/19
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, olafBuddenhagen, 2008/11/19
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Michal Suchanek, 2008/11/20
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Arne Babenhauserheide, 2008/11/20
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Michal Suchanek, 2008/11/23
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Arne Babenhauserheide, 2008/11/24
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, olafBuddenhagen, 2008/11/25
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, Michal Suchanek, 2008/11/26
- Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check, olafBuddenhagen, 2008/11/24