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bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format
From: |
Óscar Fuentes |
Subject: |
bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format |
Date: |
Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:50:47 +0100 |
User-agent: |
Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) |
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> > . I suggest that the "special" value which means "use
>> > frame-title-format" will be t, not nil, so that users who want it
>> > set it explicitly, not by some omission.
>>
>> The purpose of changing the default is based partly on the idea that,
>> very likely, the user will want to keep icon-title-format in sync with
>> frame-title-format. So not having to do anything to achieve that is a
>> feature, not a bug.
>
> We are mis-communicating. My point is that the value nil means "don't
> display this". E.g., try setting mode-line-format or
> frame-title-format to nil, and observe the effect.
I don't object to use `t' instead of `nil'. I object to leaving the
default as is.
>> > and it is quite possible that someone out there does want/expect
>> > the default value to be a string.
>>
>> I have no idea how this can be.
>
> Please believe me and my gray hair: with Emacs, anything that is just
> possible is usually done by someone out there.
You already have a real case of a broken setup (mine). Furthermore, the
people that depend on the contents of the window title to automate
things on their machines are the most likely to set frame-title-format,
and thus it is practically guaranteed that having a working
icon-title-format on its current incarnation will be problematic for
them.
>> If this is your final decision, it's better to discard the whole
>> proposal, as it gives little benefit.
>
> I disagree. I think it will allow you and others in your situation to
> have the problem solved,
icon-title-format already broke my customization, and I already fixed it
on my .emacs.el. This is not about me, it is about avoiding the pain I
went through to others.
> while not risking breaking someone's
> unrelated customizations. I don't understand the urge to have it
> solved automagically, even for those who are affected by the changes
> in Emacs 29.
This is about a real group of users for which this issue can cause lots
of disruption and frustration (Emacs' window title switching to the
contents of icon-title-format when the user jumps to other virtual
desktop is far from obvious) vs an hypothetical group of users that
somehow put on their config an effectless variable on a way that causes
the interpreter to throw an error on their face.
For which group do you expect more bug reports?
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, (continued)
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/02/14
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Po Lu, 2023/02/14
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/02/14
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Óscar Fuentes, 2023/02/14
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/02/14
- Message not available
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/02/16
- Message not available
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/02/16
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Óscar Fuentes, 2023/02/16
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Po Lu, 2023/02/16
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/02/17
- bug#61496: 30.0.50; Default value of icon-title-format,
Óscar Fuentes <=