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bug#4477: bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
bug#4477: bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages |
Date: |
Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:02:53 +0300 |
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:54:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: 3465@debbugs.gnu.org, bojohan@gnu.org, 4477@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > >> There's no problem with logging in general. The request is to also have
> > >> the messages output by the minibuffer-message function also end up in
> > >> the *Messages* buffer.
>
> No. The request is to _be able_ to also log
> `minibuffer-message' feedback.
>
> > > By default? I'd object to that. As an option, maybe;
>
> The bug requested to _be able to_ do it.
> Not to do it by default.
I was responding to Lars, not to your original request.
> > > but then I
> > > don't understand why this is requested as a core feature, since any
> > > Lisp program that wants this can simply call 'message' with the same
> > > string, and be done.
>
> No. `minibuffer-message' has an entirely different
> UI effect. You are coupling the UI effect (messaging)
> with the logging effect. It is you, even in your "but
> then" (i.e., NOT by default), who are saying that
> every time logging is wanted the UI effect of `message'
> is also wanted.
Yes, yes, everyone knows that. No need to reiterate the trivia.
Please focus on the real issues at hand.
> That's exactly the point of this bug:
>
> 1. `message' and `minibuffer-message' have different UI
> effects. They are used for different things.
>
> 2. `message' can be logged. `minibuffer-message' cannot.
>
> The point is to be able to log `minibuffer-message',
> WITHOUT getting the different UI effect of `message'.
Yes, we understood that. No need to reiterate.
> Please reread the bug report. I don't think it's hard
> to understand the request: Be able to also log
> `minibuffer-message' output.
Please re-read what I responded. Which part of it contradicts what
you requested?
> And obviously WITHOUT calling `message', which is not
> logging `minibuffer-message' but logging `message',
> and which adds the UI effect of `message'.
The UI effect of 'message' can be easily disabled by the Lisp program
which calls 'message', which in effect converts 'message' into a
logging function. Include that in the code that calls
'minibuffer-message', and you have what you wanted, no?
> Eli seems to have clearly misunderstood the request.
Please don't second-guess my misunderstandings. It is rude, to say
the least.
> Please reopen this enhancement request. It's simply
> a request to _be able to_ log `minibuffer-message'
> output. Not a big deal.
You are already able to do that, AFAICT.
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, (continued)
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2020/08/20
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/08/20
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2020/08/20
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/08/20
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2020/08/20
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Juri Linkov, 2020/08/20
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2020/08/20
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/08/22
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2020/08/22
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Drew Adams, 2020/08/22
- bug#4477: bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Drew Adams, 2020/08/22
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2020/08/22
- bug#4477: bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/08/22
- bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages, Drew Adams, 2020/08/22