Re: [Bug-gne]The slow death of GNE

[Tom Chance]

I have to agree. I think perhaps GNE was destined to
give Nupedia a kick up the backside from GNU, and thne
to slowly die away. But I think we potentially have a
partnershiop between GNE and Nupedia that we can use.
The way I see it, to continue we need to do the
following things:

1) Secure some backing for servers outside of GNU, so
we can have mirroes for dodgy content etc. and in case
GNU drop us alltogether.

2) Sort out what we have collected already in terms of
articles and systems.

3) Make it clear who is doing what behind the scenes
(such as Chris Mahan's submission form) and lay out a
plan of action for them/us all so we can have some
systems to look at and compare a month or two down the
line.

4) Sort out once and for all the censorship policy
(whatever Jimmy says, not allowing a type of article
on your resource is censoring your resource). Do we
all agree that the "informative" one will do for now?
(with the possibility of making it more free in the
future... see below).

5) I can't think of any more, but 5 is a nice number
to finish on.

If we can get all that going, we should be able to
keep this project alive.

Oh and on the freedom thing, I have emailed a couple
of Internet Freedom groups asking them about all the
legal issues we've come up with, so we might be able
to approach this from as much an educated standpoint
as an emotional one.

And finally, can people stop talking about certain
topics being "uneducated" or "rubbish", because its
all subjective. Some would say if I wrote an article
damning US foreign policy for being of a terrorist
nature, many would say that is revisionist rubbish.
Lets not get caught up in allowing rubbish, but at the
same time considering it to be rubbish. We must be
open, and approach every article as a valid peice of
work.

Tom Chance



--- Bob Dodd <address@hidden> wrote: >
Judging from Hector's mail, I would say GNE is dead
> or soon will be.
> You cannot have a successful project when the main
> sponsor of the
> project is not 100% committed to its ideals and to
> its successful
> completion. Clearly RMS is not. And Hector is not.
> Better to call it a
> day.
> 
> For the record, I do think there are differences
> between Nupedia and,
> at least from my viewpoint, GNE. Nuipedia is a very
> expert-led,
> academic exercise. GNE always seemed to be aiming
> for a broader brush
> with multiple non-peer reviewed articles on a single
> topic. Looking at
> the Nupedia website today, it is also still a
> project which solicits
> articles from people (you do volunteer to write
> them, but an editor
> decides if you are good enough). GNE was about
> unsolicited material.
> 
> There is still space for a GNE project, in fact
> there is a need for
> one, but it needs a fully commited sponsor who is
> prepared to lead and
> to drive the project forward.
> 
> Looking back over the last few weeks, my suspicion
> is that GNE was only
> ever politics and not a real project, just a way of
> applying pressure
> on Nupedia. I hope I'm wrong, but all the evidence
> to date does tend to
> point that way: the difference between the two
> projects is too wide to
> belive that the changes at Nupedia make GNE
> redundant. It reads more
> like RMS got what _he_ wanted out of Nupedia, and
> now GNE is being
> allowed to rumble on in the background with little
> urgency shown about
> its completion (or its demise).
> 
> I feel less well disposed towards GNU as a result of
> this exercise.
> 
> /Bob Dodd
> 
> 
> > Well, as you can see in the /encyclopedia
> directory of the GNU
> > webserver,
> > Nupedia is the GNU encylopedia project. So, 'what
> is this'??? Well,
> > RMS
> > said that there's no need to destroy this project.
> But I say that
> > there's no need to have two equal projects (Jimmy
> has made
> > everything to change the original Nupedia idea to
> the idea of
> > GNUPedia).
> > The last thing, is that RMS said that editorial
> control is not a bad
> > idea... Make your own conclusions.
> > 
> > So, if you want, the GNE project will still be
> alive. If you want to
> > work
> > on it, go ahead, I'll help in everything I can.
> I'll also keep alive
> > this mailing list. But for now, the GNU
> encyclopedia project is
> > Nupedia.
> > 
> > hfa
> 
> 
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