Re: [Bug-gne]Moderation & Server setup

[Christopher Mahan]

Tom,

Thanks for the input.

The first page, as a form, is for the submission of the original article. 
There will be screens after that allow for the author to review the changes 
from the editors/helpers.

I was thinking of the summary field, or synopsys, and wondered if that 
didn't better belong in the classification system. Also, I'm not sure the 
author is the best person to write a synopsys. Most of the time, yes, but 
not always. Same thing on keywords. I thought about having a list of 
keywords, and came to the same conclusion.

On images, and links for that matter, I was not very sure how to proceed. I 
was thinking that links could be given at the bottom, as "additional 
resources" or "see also" and there could be two sections, "Other GNE 
articles" and "Outside references".

For picures, do I put them inline, do I wrap the text? Do I put thumbs? An 
article with a lot of photos or media might take forever to load.
I was thinking rather to have a section at the bottom that shows a list of 
media, like:

- Photograph of Adolf Hitler in Nurenberg, Germany, 1933. (39k)
- Photograph of Joseph Stalin in Moscow, USSR, 1935. (25k)
- Photograph of Japanese Emperor Hirohito, Tokyo, Japan, 1937 (33k)
- Photograph of Sir Winston Churchill, London, England, 1940, (51k)

- Short speech by Adolf Hitler at Nurenberg, in 1933. (mp3 2.1mb)

- Video of Sir Winston Churchill and Her Majesty the Queen in 1939 (mpg, 
14.9mb)

That sort of thing.

Chris Mahan


> From: Tom Chance <address@hidden>
Looks good to me. A few pointers though:
> * The edit part... shouldn't the article, once edited,
> be shown to the original author again before being
> properly submitted? Otherwise the system is open to
> abuse from the editors/helpers.
>
> * A summary field would be good at the bottom for
> searching. When you search, it could return all the
> results with a small summary of say no more than 50
> words, so you could get an idea of the subject of the
> article. Or it could be at the top of the article. So
> you don't spend ages reading through them only to find
> they're not looking at what you wanted (an article
> could be called "Hitler's Rise To Power", but could be
> more about his rising through the ranks of the Nazi
> party than his consolidation of power in the early
> 1930s).
>
> * Some way of putting images in would also be good.
> The solution Rob Scott and I came up with, which could
> no doubt be improved, was to have a couple of "upload"
> boxes in the form, and ask the author to write in some
> sort of tag with an image name in, like
> <image>canoe.jpg</image>, or even the full HTML code
> for an image. The perl/php script could parse this and
> easily format it all properly.
>
>
> --- Christopher Mahan <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Am working on a simple submission form, to generate
> > xml.
> >
> > Please take a look at it ant let me know.
> >
> > http://www.christophermahan.com/gne/
> >
> > go to submission.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > >From: "Imran Ghory" <address@hidden>
> > >Reply-To: address@hidden
> > >To: address@hidden
> > >Subject: Re: [Bug-gne]Moderation & Server setup
> > >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:56:27 -0000
> > >
> > >On 18 Feb 2001, at 8:01, Tom Chance wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Look we can't just let every article
> > submitted
> > > > > enter
> > > > > > the resource, we've decided that already, so
> > we
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > get binary bombs and adverts. The most open
> > > > > moderation
> > > > > > system proposed was mine and Rob's which is
> > where
> > > > > any
> > > > > > article only needs a few "yes" votes to get
> > in;
> > > > > > there's no majority needed or anything
> > similar...
> > > > > no
> > > > > > "reject" votes.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's open to total abuse though, it be
> > trivial to
> > > > > bypass such a
> > > > > checking system. And it will still rely on the
> > owner
> > > > > of the server not
> > > > > wiping anything they don't like.
> > > >
> > > > Yes it is if anybody could vote, but thats not
> > the way
> > > > it would work. Moderators would be people who
> > have
> > > > submitted a couple of articles, the people on
> > this
> > > > list, and/or anyone else we know is responsible
> > and
> > > > committed enough to this project that they
> > wouldn't
> > > > let adverts and other rubbish it.
> > >
> > >That would mean it would be trivial to become a
> > moderator, anyone
> > >can write a couple of dozen decent articles to "get
> > in" and once in
> > >they could abuse the system.
> > >
> > > > But it does mean
> > > > there is bound to be enough people on at any on
> > time
> > > > to alllow anything in. If there's any yes/no
> > voting,
> > > > we're bound to start losing a lot of articles.
> > >
> > >If we have multiple servers then people can submit
> > the article to a
> > >server which they think is more likely to accept it
> > and create a
> > >more fair system, if an articles reject by every
> > server then chances
> > >are that the article doesn't deserve to be
> > included. But at least
> > >going down this route would prevent a moderation
> > system being
> > >abused.
> > >
> > > > > > Stick it on a computer and just leave the
> > system
> > > > > > automated; don't let somebody sneak through
> > it
> > > > > > deleting references.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unless the system is physically secure (i.e in
> > a
> > > > > lead box under the
> > > > > Atlantic), that's going to be impossible to
> > do. Game
> > > > > networking
> > > > > programmers have been trying for years to find
> > a
> > > > > method of
> > > > > ensuring data integerity on insecure
> > computers.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Nobody
> > in
> > > > GNE is going to start ripping articles out of
> > any
> > > > index, are they?
> > >
> > >Do you know that for sure ?
> > >
> > >We can't leave GNE to be vulnerable to being
> > destroyed by a single
> > >person, no matter who that person is.
> > >
> > > > And as to the rest of your system, I
> > > > will wait until you or somebody else has
> > actually made
> > > > and tested it before I will reply.
> > >
> > >The style of distributed information has been used
> > before by
> > >Gopher, we know that it can be made to work.
> > >
> > >Imran
> > >
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