Hi Teus,
I tried to figure out the allgorithm of how BE orders those references
and making the test below, I have some questions (see ??), how this
order is built/determined:
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Bibledit (BE): Scripture
Processing tool in Linux
Bibledit has a feature which has the power to be developed
into a discourse navigation tool.
This tool is described BE 3.3.58/Help/Tools/View/Notes display:
(olh_view_project_notes.html):
'"Order center around current reference". When this is ticked, Bibledit
makes an attempt to display notes ordered by how close they are to the
current reference. That is, for example, if the user display Matthew
10:2,
then the notes that are nearest this reference are displayed visibly,
and
notes further away are moved away a bit.'
The tool: 'center around current
reference' of the 'Show project Notes' dialog box of
Menu/View/Project Notes includes also
notes with a reference-span (begin and end-reference). This is similar
to discourse elements, which usually have reference-span.
How does this 'center around current
reference' tool work, in which order are verse(-cluster)s
displayed?
Example: for verses 10 - 20
(arbitrarily chosen) divided into 5 sublevels
Structure of the
verse(-clusters)
10 - 20 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 12 |
11 |
|
|
|
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
|
|
|
|
15 - 16 |
15 |
|
17 |
|
|
|
|
18 - 20 |
18 |
|
|
|
|
19 - 20 |
|
|
Display in BE
Those
verse(-cluster)s are displayed in the following way, which I (not BE)
mark (for better understanding) in the following way:
- current verse: in strike-through
- verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse: in bold
- smallest verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse: in underline
Reference Sort |
Sort
by 'center around current reference', sort at current verse:
marked by strike-through |
10 |
11 |
12 |
13, 14 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
18 |
19, 20 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
11 |
11
|
11
|
11 |
11
|
11 |
11
|
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
11 |
10 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
11 |
11 |
10 - 12 |
10
- 12 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
10 - 16 |
15
- 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13
- 14 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
16 |
16 |
13 - 16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
18 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 |
18 |
18
|
18 |
10 - 20 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
19
- 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
RULES FOR
THE ORDER OF THE UNITS:
Ordinary reference sort
a. ascending by initial or single verse
b. in case of verse-clusters: descending by end-verse
Reference
centered sort
1. Verse(-cluster)s containing the
actual verse:
- 1a: Verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse show up together
- 1b: initial verse-sort ??: (e.g. 10-16, 15-16, 13-16, 10-20, 16)
- 1c: final verse-sort ?? (e.g. 10-20, 18, 18-20)
2. Verse(-cluster)s preceeding the
verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse:
a. ascending by final or single verse (e.g.: 11, 10 - 12, 13 - 14, 10 -
16, 15 - 16, 16)
b. verse-clusters with same final verse: ?? (e.g. 10 - 16, 15 - 16, 13
- 16)
c. verse-cluster and verse with same final or single verse: ?? (e.g.
15-16, 13-16, 16 but also 15-16, 16, 13-16)
3. Verse(-cluster)s following the
verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse:
a. ascending by initial or single verse (e.g.: 15 - 16, 16, 17, 18 -
20, 18)
b. several verse-clusters with same initial verse: ascending by
end-verse (e.g.: 13-14, 13-16)
c. verse-cluster and verse with same initial or single verse: ?? (e.g.
18-20, 18 but also 18, 18-20)
Remark: Personal notes for splitted verses cannot be created: #8568
Project
notes: Allow splitted verses
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Teus Benschop wrote:
Hi
Wolfgang,
I am glad to hear that it works well. I hadn't paid much attention to
that feature as of late. It is good to hear that the tool still behaves
well. No external system is used to order these by reference, but just
some internal code that does it.
Bibledit (BE): Scripture
Processing tool in Linux
Bibledit has a feature which has the power to be developed
into a discourse navigation tool.
This tool is described BE 3.3.58/Help/Tools/View/Notes display:
(olh_view_project_notes.html):
'"Order center around current reference". When this is ticked, Bibledit
makes an attempt to display notes ordered by how close they are to the
current reference. That is, for example, if the user display Matthew
10:2,
then the notes that are nearest this reference are displayed visibly,
and
notes further away are moved away a bit.'
The tool: 'center around current
reference' of the 'Show project Notes' dialog box of
Menu/View/Project Notes includes also
notes with a reference-span (begin and end-reference). This is similar
to discourse elements, which usually have reference-span.
How does this 'center around current
reference' tool work, in which order are verse(-cluster)s
displayed?
Example: for verses 10 - 20
(arbitrarily chosen) divided into 5 sublevels
Structure of the
verse(-clusters)
10 - 20 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 12 |
11 |
|
|
|
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
|
|
|
|
15 - 16 |
15 |
|
17 |
|
|
|
|
18 - 20 |
18 |
|
|
|
|
19 - 20 |
|
|
Display in BE
Those
verse(-cluster)s are displayed in the following way, which I (not BE)
mark (for better understanding) in the following way:
- current verse: in strike-through
- verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse: in bold
- smallest verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse: in underline
Reference Sort |
Sort
by 'center around current reference', sort at current verse:
marked by strike-through |
10 |
11 |
12 |
13, 14 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
18 |
19, 20 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
11 |
11
|
11
|
11 |
11
|
11 |
11
|
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
11 |
10 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
11 |
11 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
10 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
16 |
16 |
13 - 16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
18 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 |
18 |
18
|
18 |
10 - 20 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
RULES
FOR THE ORDER OF THE UNITS:
Ordinary reference sort
a. ascending by initial or single
Bibledit (BE): Scripture
Processing tool in Linux
Bibledit has a feature which has the power to be developed
into a discourse navigation tool.
This tool is described BE 3.3.58/Help/Tools/View/Notes display:
(olh_view_project_notes.html):
'"Order center around current reference". When this is ticked, Bibledit
makes an attempt to display notes ordered by how close they are to the
current reference. That is, for example, if the user display Matthew
10:2,
then the notes that are nearest this reference are displayed visibly,
and
notes further away are moved away a bit.'
The tool: 'center around current
reference' of the 'Show project Notes' dialog box of
Menu/View/Project Notes includes also
notes with a reference-span (begin and end-reference). This is similar
to discourse elements, which usually have reference-span.
How does this 'center around current
reference' tool work, in which order are verse(-cluster)s
displayed?
Example: for verses 10 - 20
(arbitrarily chosen) divided into 5 sublevels
Structure of the
verse(-clusters)
10 - 20 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 12 |
11 |
|
|
|
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
|
|
|
|
15 - 16 |
15 |
|
17 |
|
|
|
|
18 - 20 |
18 |
|
|
|
|
19 - 20 |
|
|
Display in BE
Those
verse(-cluster)s are displayed in the following way, which I (not BE)
mark (for better understanding) in the following way:
- current verse: in strike-through
- verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse: in bold
- smallest verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse: in underline
Reference Sort |
Sort
by 'center around current reference', sort at current verse:
marked by strike-through |
10 |
11 |
12 |
13, 14 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
18 |
19, 20 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
11 |
11
|
11
|
11 |
11
|
11 |
11
|
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
11 |
10 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
11 |
11 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
10 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
16 |
16 |
13 - 16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
18 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 |
18 |
18
|
18 |
10 - 20 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
RULES
FOR THE ORDER OF THE UNITS:
Ordinary reference sort
a. ascending by initial or single verse
b. in case of verse-clusters: desc
Bibledit (BE): Scripture
Processing tool in Linux
Bibledit has a feature which has the power to be developed
into a discourse navigation tool.
This tool is described BE 3.3.58/Help/Tools/View/Notes display:
(olh_view_project_notes.html):
'"Order center around current reference". When this is ticked, Bibledit
makes an attempt to display notes ordered by how close they are to the
current reference. That is, for example, if the user display Matthew
10:2,
then the notes that are nearest this reference are displayed visibly,
and
notes further away are moved away a bit.'
The tool: 'center around current
reference' of the 'Show project Notes' dialog box of
Menu/View/Project Notes includes also
notes with a reference-span (begin and end-reference). This is similar
to discourse elements, which usually have reference-span.
How does this 'center around current
reference' tool work, in which order are verse(-cluster)s
displayed?
Example: for verses 10 - 20
(arbitrarily chosen) divided into 5 sublevels
Structure of the
verse(-clusters)
10 - 20 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 12 |
11 |
|
|
|
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
|
|
|
|
15 - 16 |
15 |
|
17 |
|
|
|
|
18 - 20 |
18 |
|
|
|
|
19 - 20 |
|
|
Display in BE
Those
verse(-cluster)s are displayed in the following way, which I (not BE)
mark (for better understanding) in the following way:
- current verse: in strike-through
- verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse: in bold
- smallest verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse: in underline
Reference Sort |
Sort
by 'center around current reference', sort at current verse:
marked by strike-through |
10 |
11 |
12 |
13, 14 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
18 |
19, 20 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
11 |
11
|
11
|
11 |
11
|
11 |
11
|
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
11 |
10 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
11 |
11 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 12 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
10 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 14 |
10 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 14 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
13 - 16 |
16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
15 - 16 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
16 |
16 |
13 - 16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
17 |
10 - 20 |
10 - 20 |
18 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 |
18 |
18
|
18 |
10 - 20 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
19 - 20 |
18 - 20 |
RULES
FOR THE ORDER OF THE UNITS:
Ordinary reference sort
a. ascending by initial or single verse
b. in case of verse-clusters: descending by end-verse
Reference
centered sort
1. Verse(-cluster)s containing the
actual verse:
- 1a: Verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse show up together
- 1b: initial verse-sort ??: (e.g. 10-16, 15-16, 13-16, 10-20, 16)
- 1c: final verse-sort ?? (e.g. 10-20, 18, 18-20)
2. Verse(-cluster)s preceeding the
verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse:
a. ascending by final or single verse (e.g.: 11, 10 - 12, 13 - 14, 10 -
16, 15 - 16, 16)
b. verse-clusters with same final verse: ?? (e.g. 10 - 16, 15 - 16, 13
- 16)
c. verse-cluster and verse with same final or single verse: ?? (e.g.
15-16, 13-16, 16 but also 15-16, 16, 13-16)
3. Verse(-cluster)s following the
verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse:
a. ascending by initial or single verse (e.g.: 15 - 16, 16, 17, 18 -
20, 18)
b. several verse-clusters with same initial verse: ascending by
end-verse (e.g.: 13-14, 13-16)
c. verse-cluster and verse with same initial or single verse: ?? (e.g.
18-20, 18 but also 18, 18-20)
Remark: Personal notes for splitted verses cannot be created: #8568
Project
notes: Allow splitted verses
ending by end-verse
Reference
centered sort
1. Verse(-cluster)s containing the
actual verse:
- 1a: Verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse show up together
- 1b: initial verse-sort ??: (e.g. 10-16, 15-16, 13-16, 10-20, 16)
- 1c: final verse-sort ?? (e.g. 10-20, 18, 18-20)
2. Verse(-cluster)s preceeding the
verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse:
a. ascending by final or single verse (e.g.: 11, 10 - 12, 13 - 14, 10 -
16, 15 - 16, 16)
b. verse-clusters with same final verse: ?? (e.g. 10 - 16, 15 - 16, 13
- 16)
c. verse-cluster and verse with same final or single verse: ?? (e.g.
15-16, 13-16, 16 but also 15-16, 16, 13-16)
3. Verse(-cluster)s following the
verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse:
a. ascending by initial or single verse (e.g.: 15 - 16, 16, 17, 18 -
20, 18)
b. several verse-clusters with same initial verse: ascending by
end-verse (e.g.: 13-14, 13-16)
c. verse-cluster and verse with same initial or single verse: ?? (e.g.
18-20, 18 but also 18, 18-20)
Remark: Personal notes for splitted verses cannot be created: #8568
Project
notes: Allow splitted verses
verse
b. in case of verse-clusters: descending by end-verse
Reference
centered sort
1. Verse(-cluster)s containing the
actual verse:
- 1a: Verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse show up together
- 1b: initial verse-sort ??: (e.g. 10-16, 15-16, 13-16, 10-20, 16)
- 1c: final verse-sort ?? (e.g. 10-20, 18, 18-20)
2. Verse(-cluster)s preceeding the
verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse:
a. ascending by final or single verse (e.g.: 11, 10 - 12, 13 - 14, 10 -
16, 15 - 16, 16)
b. verse-clusters with same final verse: ?? (e.g. 10 - 16, 15 - 16, 13
- 16)
c. verse-cluster and verse with same final or single verse: ?? (e.g.
15-16, 13-16, 16 but also 15-16, 16, 13-16)
3. Verse(-cluster)s following the
verse(-cluster)s containing the actual verse:
a. ascending by initial or single verse (e.g.: 15 - 16, 16, 17, 18 -
20, 18)
b. several verse-clusters with same initial verse: ascending by
end-verse (e.g.: 13-14, 13-16)
c. verse-cluster and verse with same initial or single verse: ?? (e.g.
18-20, 18 but also 18, 18-20)
Remark: Personal notes for splitted verses cannot be created: #8568
Project
notes: Allow splitted verses
Regards,
Teus.
Wolfgang Stradner E wrote:
Hi Teus,
The tool 'center around current reference' in Project Notes does a
great job.
I tested it out in order to find the algorithm: Was this your idea, or
do you use an add-on-programm to order the references?
Greetings
Wolfgang
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