[Tinycc-devel] Re : Re: TinyCC on Windows & some suggestions

[david . koch]

Hi Robert,

nice job, but why not using https://github.com/anael-seghezzi/CToy ?

It already have everything you need, plus hot-reload capability.

Regards.

----- Mail d'origine -----
De: Robert Schlicht <tinycc@rschlicht.eu>
À: tinycc-devel@nongnu.org
Envoyé: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 20:38:52 +0100 (CET)
Objet: Re: [Tinycc-devel] TinyCC on Windows & some suggestions

Yes, it is. But it’s really primitive, basically just a text editor that has 
the compiler integrated, and calling it an IDE may be an exaggeration. It’s the 
thing that is intended to make writing a “Hello, World!” program (and slightly 
more interesting stuff) as painless as possible for beginners.

Robert


Jake Anderson (2024-03-11 15:10):
> Is the IDE open source? An IDE that is packaged separately and uses the TCC
> compiler could be useful.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:01 PM Robert Schlicht <tinycc@rschlicht.eu> wrote:
> 
> > At our university we offer a course where we program simple spatial
> > simulations in various programming languages, one of them being C, for
> > illustrating close-to-the-machine programming concepts. We here need a C
> > implementation that is small (since it’s accessed over a network), works
> > out of the box on Windows computers (since our students are beginners) and
> > runs fast (so compiler errors are available instantaneously). We do not
> > need advanced developer tools, and code running three times slower is
> > acceptable because that is still faster than scripting languages.
> >
> > TCC is obviously a good option here, and for our course starting in April
> > of this year, I put together a package https://rschlicht.eu/tc-ide.zip
> > that includes a minimalist IDE running TCC and a very basic form of a C
> > standard library, all contained in a standalone executable tc-ide.exe. The
> > library is just headers that directly access the Windows API (no runtime
> > needed) and should satisfy the requirements of a conforming freestanding
> > implementation, while also including common memory, file, math and the
> > printf family of functions. (If anyone finds this useful, I’ll gladly
> > contribute it to the TCC project.)
> >
> > The executable is compiled by itself, although this currently requires a
> > few hacks and workarounds to get it working as desired. I list these here
> > as suggestions for improving TCC:
> >
> > (1) For using TCC as a library, it would be nice if it did a more thorough
> > cleanup:
> > – In a few places exit() is called in case of failure, but terminating the
> > program is not very user-friendly; cleanly propagating failure or even some
> > longjmp hacks might provide a better solution. [tc-ide does the latter,
> > while patching function calls to keep track of memory and open files.]
> > – Another problem I encountered is that TCC does not always properly
> > restore the state of the global variables; compiling the following code
> > fragment the first time produces an error message (as it should), but the
> > second time it causes an exception (which I assume is a bug):
> >     void nothing(void) {for ( ; ; ) break;}  void garbage(void) {switch
> > [The workaround in tc-ide is ugly but straightforward: Make a copy of the
> > memory block containing all global variables, and restore this block after
> > TCC returns.]
> >
> > (2) I really appreciate that TCC can directly link to functions in Windows
> > DLLs with no auxiliary .lib file and that it even supports directives like
> > #pragma comment(lib,"kernel32"). The current implementation of the DLL
> > lookup with a huge number of lseek & read calls (via read_mem() in tccpe.c)
> > may be inefficient on some file systems. [tc-ide avoids this issue by
> > creating file mappings in memory and redirecting lseek and read to those
> > memory buffers, which it has to deal with anyway to access the embedded
> > headers.]
> >
> > (3) The C23 preprocessor directive #embed would be of help for embedding
> > headers and other files as byte arrays in the program. [tc-ide currently
> > does this by providing a non-standard feature with a custom notation like
> > #include "stdlib.h#".]
> >
> > (4) TCC uses fixed buffer sizes for file paths in certain places. For
> > example, libtcc.c has 260(=MAX_PATH) in config_tccdir_w32() and
> > _fullpath(), 1000 in tcc_add_systemdir() and 1024 in
> > tcc_add_library_internal(), while tccelf.c has 1024 in getcwd(). Windows
> > has been supporting long file paths for quite a while now, so it might be
> > better to allocate those buffers dynamically:
> > https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/maximum-file-path-limitation
> >
> > (5) Some rarely used C library functions could perhaps be replaced to make
> > the code less dependent on such features. Examples are the single use of
> > alloca() in libtcc.c to set up a buffer and the use of scanf() in tccpp.c
> > to convert the TCC version string into a number. [tc-ide here provides
> > stubs.]
> >
> > (6) It would be useful to allow the user to set the entry point symbol
> > (either the one called by the OS or the one called by the startup code),
> > like other compilers do. [tc-ide provides its own version of _start(),
> > which simply calls main().]
> >
> > (7) Additional observations:
> > – In tcc_new() (tcclib.c), checking the return value of tcc_mallocz is
> > probably redundant.
> > – In tcc_close() (tcclib.c), I do not understand why the test is ">0"
> > instead of ">=0". Typically 0 is stdin, but maybe the code should not rely
> > on that.
> > – The protection of InitializeCriticalSection() in tcc.h is not
> > thread-safe and can lead to a race condition.
> > – In Windows, the semicolon ';' can appear in file names and is therefore
> > perhaps not an ideal PATHSEP path separator character (despite that fact
> > that it is still used in that function in the Path environment variable); a
> > double null-terminated string could be a better choice.
> >
> > Let me conclude with a question on the licenses. As I understand it, TCC
> > is licensed under LGPL, although there is also a more permissive
> > RELICENSING statement, but I assume this is irrelevant due to the various
> > contributions by authors not listed there. Is that so, or am I missing
> > something?
> >
> > Robert
> >
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