Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 27/08/2023 07:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> IMNSHO, the above is an extremely optimistic and naïve view of the
> actual state of matters.  Significantly, it emphasizes the advantages
> of the proposed changes/alternatives and consistently and completely
> ignores the disadvantages (which are known and were described and
> discussed many times).

I'm not sure where I'm looking optimistic in the whole text.

> But the important part is what was said many times in this and other
> similar discussions: those who want these deep changes are invited to
> step up and become Emacs (co)-maintainers, and then make the changes
> and actually use them for Emacs development, instead of telling others
> how to do their jobs.

If the cost is taking over entirely and dedicating 7+ hours every day to 
Emacs (as you said you do), this is obviously a prohibitive barrier. I 
don't think it's a reasonable ask when I'm just talking about using a 
real bug tracker, for example.

> It is at least unfair to expect us to do our
> job well, and then tell us how to do it and what tools to use for it.
> And that is even before we recall that those alternative tools are
> either semi-broken or lack important features (or both) that the
> existing "obsolete" tools offer us basically for zero cost.

The existing tools "lack important features" to such a degree that it's 
not even funny. And the cost is not zero, the cost is the people that 
never set foot in our community.

> And none
> of the alternatives withstood the test of time and/or the magnitude of
> the project.

Should we mention other big projects? GNOME? Firefox? Emacs is complex 
but not that unique.